Sister-in-law is getting a french bulldog puppy and am feeling very judgemental about it!

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From all I’ve read, this breed is riddled with health problems. And the mothers can’t give birth, they have to have c-sections.

I think my sister-in-law is being superficial to get such a breed. I think she likes them because celebrities have them.

I’m being a judgey cow, aren’t I? But who would get such a breed? It must be a vanity thing, right?

Any puppy for Christmas is wrong of the highest order

Our pug is now 9, has never had any breathing difficulties...She does snore though when she's in a deep sleep

And herein lies the problem...
Healthy dogs do not snore.

YANBU. I visited a friend who had one recently and thought the same - it was just panting and snorting the entire time and kind of waddles instead of walking. I have a collie cross that wizzes about at crazy speed and has bundles of energy - I can imagine a bulldog would quite like to be able to do this, but it’s essentially a dog that has been purposely made disabled. I have no doubt she loves and cares about her dog, but it does shock me how blind people can be about the dogs obvious suffering.

Where on earth are you getting your information from? They can breed naturally and don’t need c sections to give birth! My family bred this type of dog for years without any problems. If your sister in law goes to a kennel club registered breeder you know their pedigree. Any dog can have health problems, and pugs are the worst ones for breathing problems due to breeding.

So I'm a bit jubiouse of all the posters who have managed to find the few frenchies without health problems.

They’re talking nonsense. Most official breeds will have some known health problems associated with them just due to the breeding process, even ones that are more like ‘proper dogs’ (don’t have such a niche look about them) e.g. labs or beagles. Cross breeds tend to be healthier because of this, the gene pool is a bit wider.

I’m ok with the breed dying out. It’s a grotesque, vanity project. They suffer from breathing problems and they can’t mate on their own, so natural selection and all that.

I agree. It‘s imo a fairly extreme case of a deformed breed...

Even if some of these dogs are fine, their owners still made a crummy choice, perpetuating the problems.

Will you be footing the vets bill? If she's looked up the breed then it is up to her if she gets one surely? Every dog has their health problems, I've three rescues all mixed breed one being a weechon and all will have health issues at some point.
But my choice

A puppy for Xmas 🤔

Is this actually about the breed of dog she's decided on or are you just looking for a reason to justify that you don't really like her? Maybe?

I had a French bulldog, his only health problem was cherry eye as a puppy and being a belligerent twat most of the time. The latter was entirely my fault as we babied him as a puppy.

He died of old age eventually.

That said I wouldn't get another one. Every other dog has been a rescue, one of which has cost an arm and a leg with spine problems - think extra large breed and was treated badly as a pup.

And definately not for Christmas. Puppies eat everything

YANBU. My sister got a pug and I felt exactly the same way as you do. ‪Flat faced dog breeds should be banned.

YANBU. Spoke to my vet about this a while ago, we have 2 lovely mutts but my daughter would love a Frenchie.

He was absolutely adamant they should be avoided, and I’m pretty sure he said there is now a dedicated full time surgery of some kind being run by Royal vets college dedicated to fixing all the problems these flat faced breeds have.
I live in the countryside so we don’t really see designer dogs, but we do see pugs and sadly they are almost always panting and snuffling. It just makes me think they are struggling to breathe.

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You are aware that these types of dogs didn't look like they do now originally don't you? The answer to what to do with them, from any humane perspective, is to breed out the traits humans bred into them in the first place, the short noses and bug eyes and get them back to how they once were

JulieHooligan In my case I got my information from a vet, who told me that very rarely can Frenchies give birth naturally. If you don't want to believe my vet, there is a ton of studies out there - vets have been very vocal about the problems this breed has.

Brachy breeds all suffer. They cannot breathe properly or regulate their body temperatures. One of my rescues has had surgery to help with her breathing but this should not have been necessary! As long as people are still buying them, breeders will continue to sell them.
I adore my rescue pugs but physically they are freaks of nature, as are Frenchies, Bulldogs etc.

Here is an image of a Frenchie that served during WWII, he delivered cigarettes to the 11th engineers in the trenches and was wounded twice. Note the longer muzzle, the straighter legs, the more agile body. We forget that at the turn of the century pet ownership was a luxury and dogs were working animals, fit to do a job. People didn't breed these animals to be sick all their lives. We need to forget about the show ring and go back to breeding animals that are strong and fit and can do their jobs. scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/74351760_258041115149627_6116442649692995584_n.png?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=jwGkbwx9z5sAQkJLk4_O4nZUwV-His0HISvmXXoyhW8RnG3D_3gJgX4qA&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=61dd352e05e06f1de517b1e44415096b&oe=5E3FD224

I have 3 dogs.. All looked after well. All insured.. All loved.. And the love you get from a dog is wonderful.. Yes sometimes dogs become unwell just as we do.. Yes we have to be careful with some breeds. They have more health issues.. But surely someone willing to pay the money they're asking for certain breeds will surely look after them? 🙄

Teale My rescue Frenchie's previous owner paid £1500 for her. Didn't stop him from neglecting her or abusing her.

There are lots of pugs in 19th century art too, longer muzzles and much taller dogs. The difference between today’s pug and the ‘old fashioned’ type is absolutely astounding.

Anyone (with kids or without) looking to rehome a rescue dog in the Somerset area, I can recommend a rescue I’ve worked with that doesn’t automatically exclude homes with children. Most dogs are rehomed from foster care and not kennels so they’re assessed by experienced people in a family environment and therefore can be better placed. Not every dog will be suitable with kids but if you’re flexible they will be able to help eventually sadly. I actually adopted my gsd/Rottie from them when my son (youngest) was 18 months and his sister a few years older - no issues at all.

Please feel free to message me, they have dogs of all breeds looking and always needing homes!

So it's OK to breed a dog that you know will suffer as long as the owner is in a position to pay for their treatment??? I think not!

There are lots of pugs in 19th century art too, longer muzzles and much taller dogs. The difference between today’s pug and the ‘old fashioned’ type is absolutely astounding

This is the case for many beautiful breeds.

Examples coming in the next posts as I believe you can only do 3 pictures per post...

Agree that a rescue is best. But wht all the mean comments? I hope they have thought it through will love him her and have time for a puppy. Cats and dogs bring so much joy. Be judgy not nean x

Please rescue a frenchie, do not add to the enormous demand for this breed. There are thousands that need rescuing. The puppy farms abroad are rife with them. My rescue French bulldog girl has had a cruel amount of litters & was debarked at the puppy farm who ship the puppies over here & in Europe to meet the current demand.