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Immigration comment from colleague, AIBU

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user2726182 · 25/11/2019 14:10

Name changed.

Myself and a couple of colleagues were talking about the upcoming general election, just about the debates that were on television last week.
Colleague stated she was voting conservatives because she wants brexit (fair enough) but then went on to say it's because of immigration and doesn't want anymore people coming in to the UK because we're a 'small island' and can't home any more people, she went on to say refugees are fine but that's it, then said 'I'm not racist' but just my opinion.

Now my grandparents were immigrants and I wouldn't be here without them coming from Asia, I was a bit offended by her comments.

Aibu?

OP posts:
woodhill · 27/11/2019 21:40

Do the migrants themselves not need healthcare and services? Perhaps if we hadn't had so much immigration recently we wouldn't need so many staff in the NHS etc.

What a shame we haven't trained the people already here to do these jobs and scrapped the bursaries and fees.

Ibiza2015 · 27/11/2019 21:42

I racist who only approves of refugees. How interesting. Never heard of that before.

Ibiza2015 · 27/11/2019 21:42

*A racist

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/11/2019 21:42

Immigrants aren’t just work horses they rightly build lives, need homes, need to use the nhs, the school system- all legal all fair all over stretched !!!!

ListeningQuietly · 27/11/2019 21:48

Veg picking etc is - and has always been - seasonal work

since the EU, the young chaps come over here, work their backsides off, live in caravans and save every penny they can

at the end of the season they go back south and rest

they do not have kids here
they do not retire here
they do not use schools
they do not use the NHS

all the stats bear that out

if they lose free movement, they will stay and claim benefits

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/11/2019 21:52

Immigrants are just people: and like all people some get married some don’t, some commit crime some don’t, some have children some don’t, some become high flyers some become benefit scrounges ...they aren’t all single nurses single handily saving the nhs- a points system is fair!

ListeningQuietly · 27/11/2019 21:57

But the points system is only what lets them in the door
WHAT categories would you bar ????

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/11/2019 22:02

I don’t think a non skilled migrant who doesn’t earn enough to pay income tax is warrant of a work visa. Is it for me to list out a whole visa program = no. Is it for you outline a whole social care program for this vastly growing population of the Uk for the next 20-40 years?!

ListeningQuietly · 27/11/2019 22:06

I don’t think a non skilled migrant who doesn’t earn enough to pay income tax is warrant of a work visa.
So only Brits should do the shitty low paid jobs ?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/11/2019 22:25

So only Brits should do the shitty low paid jobs? huh is that an argument for open borders?!

ListeningQuietly · 27/11/2019 22:46

Immigrants have done those jobs since WW2 prisoners
if you stop immigrants doing them
who will ...

and yes, I am totally in favour of open borders
let them in and let them work
because immigrants add value
and look after elderly natives

immigrants will run out around the same time as the elderly
so all good

saraclara · 27/11/2019 22:57

reason why people don’t want to do those jobs is because the pay and working conditions are woeful

Nope. We have encouraged young people here to strive for more. Go up to your nearest 2 year old and ask them if they'd get a job right now picking Brussels sprouts in a cold wet field, for double what a foreign worker will do it for. And they'll say "No - I'm better than that"

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/11/2019 23:04

let them in and let them work
Bowing out- can’t debate with such stupidity

StoneofDestiny · 27/11/2019 23:13

So many people who want borders closed are the descendants of immigrants! (Trump and his wife - classic! The USA wouldn't be as it is without wholesale immigration)

Beaverdam · 27/11/2019 23:15

Shes entitled to her opinion. It doesnt mean shes right but it doesnt make her racist either.

viccat · 27/11/2019 23:22

To those saying she's entitled to her opinion - where do you draw the line then? What if someone's opinions cause harm to others? For example there was a recent story that was reported quite widely in the media of an NHS consultant who had been living and working in the UK for decades, and he was now being told by some patients they wanted their operation to be done by a "white" doctor and not to be treated by him.

Biber · 27/11/2019 23:47

I honestly think this country should close the borders and only allow in educated individuals or ones with a trade like Australia
Open borders lead to anybody coming here, peadophiles/murderers/criminals, country has enough of them already

  1. We don't have open borders. People do get stopped coming in.

  2. What you propose would have the effect of leaving just the unskilled jobs for native born people. Is that actually what we want?

Biber · 27/11/2019 23:53

More on the Australian points based system:

The effect of these policies is that the net immigration rate is higher in Australia than it is in Britain. That’s made Australia one of the rich world’s most diverse countries, with nearly 30 per cent of its population born overseas compared to 14 per cent in the UK.

inews.co.uk/opinion/uk-immigration-rules-australia-system-law-642815

SheOfManyNames · 28/11/2019 00:06

2) What you propose would have the effect of leaving just the unskilled jobs for native born people. Is that actually what we want?

I suspect many people do. The poor in their proper place, doing the manual jobs for shit pay.

woolie34 · 28/11/2019 00:27

Yanbu like someone else said, brexit/johnson/trump are fueling and normalising racism and its horrible to watch. The fact that people are more angry at you having a moral stance on this than a person being racist just shows how messed up this country has got. It's really depressing tbh

june2007 · 28/11/2019 00:38

Don,t waste time with her.

Yappy12 · 28/11/2019 00:40

I voted Brexit and so did everyone I know for one reason only. IMMIGRATION. Less Europeans just walking in to our ISLAND.

Ponoka7 · 28/11/2019 03:54

@Yappy12, but we'll still allow the same number of immigrants, so what difference will it make?

Dongdingdong · 28/11/2019 05:04

If agricultural labour prices go up, so will food prices - its basic supply and demand.
Pay cabbage pickers 20% more Cabbages in the shop cost more

@ListeningQuietly so you’re happy for other people (many of whom are immigrants) to be kept on pitifully low wages just so you don’t have to pay a bit more on your supermarket shop? Nice.

StoneofDestiny · 28/11/2019 05:43

I honestly think this country should close the borders and only allow in educated individuals or ones with a trade like Australia. Open borders lead to anybody coming here, peadophiles/murderers/criminals, country has enough of them already

Breaking news, educated people can be paedophiles/murderers/criminals too

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