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To be annoyed by my friend insisting on paying for everything?

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DressesWithPockets · 24/11/2019 20:32

I have an old friend of 30+ years. For the last few years every time I've seen her she's insisted in on paying. Sometimes it's just coffee. Sometimes it's a posh place she has chosen. I've repeatedly told her I'd like to get my own or pay this time. She always insists and it's difficult in public (I think) to have an argument about it so I've given in, while telling her clearly it's unnecessary. She and her OH probably earn 4 times what we do, but we're not skint at all either and I can definitely pay my share as long as we don't go anywhere too posh. It's come to a head as she has suggested meeting up again for a meal before Christmas, and I know she will expect to choose the place and pay to 'treat me' as she has said in the past. It wouldn't be in lieu of a Christmas present because we get presents for each other too. I've said I don't want her to pay again but from her reply I'm not sure she really understands my issue. I really tried to express that she was being very generous, as I don't want to sound ungrateful.

Am I being ridiculous? She's such an old friend and I'd rather meet somewhere low key we can both afford and split the bill. It's what I'd do with other close friends. I feel like she's breaking a social norm and it's really bugging me for some reason. I don't want to be 'treated' and it just highlights the differences between our situations.

Am I being unreasonable? Would you accept this unasked for generosity? Or is something else going on (for her or me)? I'm genuinely curious to know what others make of it.

OP posts:
AppleKatie · 24/11/2019 20:35

TBH I’d try once more to tell her it wasn’t necessary and that you wanted to pay.

If that failed I’d go out for a fillet steak on her dime. You know what they say about fools and their money 😂

Forallyouknow · 24/11/2019 20:37

Oh god I feel for you my dp does this... insisting on paying for everything. We have a friend who also does this. They have 10 minute arguments about who pays if we ever go anywhere together 🤦🏻‍♀️ It’s very irritating so i get your reluctance to argue over it. Try the this time you pay next time I will - this kinda works.

AdoptedBumpkin · 24/11/2019 20:37

I understand how you feel, but I'd be quite chuffed.

Thehop · 24/11/2019 20:39

Choose somewhere to go and buy gift vouchers for it.

When the bill comes say “oh no don’t pay, I have some vouchers to use up”

Staysexyanddontgetmurdered · 24/11/2019 20:39

Yanbu. I have a friend very similar to this. She always insists on paying for coffee and dinners out, as well as buying me a present every time she comes to my house. She's also constantly giving my son really expensive items of clothing.
I understand some people are just generous, and I know they mean well, but it makes me uncomfortable. I feel as though I can't relax properly and order what I want, or as though I have to constantly thank her. I love her dearly but I wish she'd stop!

carbo · 24/11/2019 20:40

The only reason I wouldn't like it is because I'd hate anyone to think I was a cheapskate. But you're clearly not and you've tried to explain your stance to her. Just go and enjoy the lobster Thermidor

Herocomplex · 24/11/2019 20:40

Oh this is a good question, I’m interested to know what people think. I like treating people, it makes me happy.

misspiggy19 · 24/11/2019 20:41

YABU- she can afford it and it makes her happy doing it. Don’t see the problem. I’d be well chuffed

billy1966 · 24/11/2019 20:42

OP, of course that is annoying for you.

She's not being generous, she is thinking of herself.

I would find someone refusing to hear what I have clearly stated to be very irritating.

This would spoil the meeting up.

I think you need to text her and say that while she may like to pay for every meet up ye have, you would like to at least pay your own way, as you have stated repeatedly.
By her not hearing you and refusing to accept this, she has hurt your feelings and made you feel like a charity case.
I would tell her that you are most certainly NOT a charity case.
Tell her she with accepts that you pay your way or you'll pass on meeting up.

She is not respectful of your boundaries.

The alternative is to suck it up and accept that what she wants is more important than what you want.

DressesWithPockets · 24/11/2019 20:43

Staysexy - yes this is it exactly!

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Havaina · 24/11/2019 20:44

I wouldn't like this either.

Could you tell her that you will meet her on the condition that you pick the place and you treat her?

And then next time she can pick the place and treat you?

Or what you can do is pretend to go to the loo and pay the bill secretly. I have done this a few times to avoid the fight over the bill.

Forallyouknow · 24/11/2019 20:44

Fwiw I don’t think it’s to do with thinking the other person is poor - it’s just some people have a generous nature and don’t think anything of it ( literally they just wanna do the nice thing ) but don’t see the other side I.e. making the other person feel bad.

Butterymuffin · 24/11/2019 20:48

She earns loads more than you and is trying to recognise that. Accept gracefully and resolve that if she's ever unlucky enough to lose her financial status, you'll be the first to step up and regularly take her out.

DressesWithPockets · 24/11/2019 20:49

Billy1966 thanks, you've summed up how I feel about it.

If she paid 3/4 or 2/3 of the time that would be one thing, but never letting me pay gives me no choices or options.

Most of the time it's just the two of us, but sometimes her husband is there in which case he always pays, which adds an extra layer because it winds up the feminist in me!

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CSIblonde · 24/11/2019 20:51

I can see what you mean OP. I think it'd grate eventually too if I wasnt skint & wanted it to be a more equal friendship. I'd feel they were trying to buy me or they enjoyed being 'the rich one graciously bestowing their largesse'. If you're skint tho & there's no weird £ power trip their side...I'd enjoy it tbh. My current best platonic male friend is lovely & treats me often because he says it's "in return for listening to me & being there for me." Im skint, he's well off & we are the big brother/sister each other always wanted.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 24/11/2019 20:54

I'd love it Grin

Ontheboardwalk · 24/11/2019 20:58

I have a good friend who is skint after an accident gave her a change in lifestyle. I like to choose nice places, upgrade us when we go out.

We argued about it for years when it came to paying until we had a huge argument about how it made her feel. I really wasn’t doing it to make her feel bad, treated or to feel better about myself. I just wanted us both to have a good time on the few occasions she could make it out of her house.

Have a chat with your friend and clear the air. Money shouldn’t be the reason you fall out after 30 years.

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 24/11/2019 20:59

I have a friend who does this too. It reached a ridiculous situation once where I was supposed to be treating her - it was her birthday or something similar - she sneaked off half way through the meal and paid a lump sum leaving only a tiny bit for me to pay when the bill arrived. Totally pissed me off.
I didn't see it as generous - it didn't allow space for me to be generous - she stole that from me - making her always the benevolent one - her always in the role of the giver and me always the receiver

ELM8 · 24/11/2019 21:04

I have a similar situation with a friend of mine. She comes from a lot of money, I don't. We both earn decent money now (have been friends since we were students and I was incredibly skint) but her outgoings are significantly less (her dad bought her a house/car etc outright) so she generally pays.

Maybe slightly different as I will get a round of drinks etc when I can but she is just incredibly pragmatic and has basically said "I have more money than you so may as well pay". It did take some time for me to just accept it when she does this but she is really not being patronising, she just sees it as a sensible approach.

DressesWithPockets · 24/11/2019 21:06

Thanks everyone. I appreciate the range of views.

CSIblonde I think if I was genuinely hard up that would be one thing, but we're not.

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cccameron · 24/11/2019 21:10

I'd probably go where she suggested at Xmas then pay the entire bill on the quiet without any discussion just to even things up a bit.

billy1966 · 24/11/2019 21:14

The thing is over the years I have had friends, that at different times they have been very flush, and sometimes not.

We treat and accept, depending on the circumstances.

The thing is we hear each other, and can give as well as accept.

The OP is not being heard.

That would piss me right off.

She is being made feel like she is not gracious, when she would simply like to contribute.

👍

theEnglishInPatient · 24/11/2019 21:16

maybe she just doesn't like low-key places and likes you!
So she pays.

Invite her to a place you book one day, and make sure you pay in advance (or have an agreement with the place to make sure you pay, do it discreetly on your way to the loo or something).

SapphosRock · 24/11/2019 21:18

My DP does this when we're out with friends - insists on paying for everyone. Drives me nuts! (And we're not rich)

I think as she's an old friend and wants to treat you I wouldn't mind so much. You're clearly not using her for her money.

If it really troubles you then discreetly ask for the bill when she's gone to the loo or something and pay before she gets the chance.

coldfeetallthetime · 24/11/2019 21:21

Ahh this is me!! I just find the whole bill situation soooo awkward I insist on paying it to save that.

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