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That Jo Swinson seems to be unpopular in general with most voters?

107 replies

Rosehip10 · 23/11/2019 13:34

Even most committed lib dems seem to agree she had a car crash on question time last night. I am a remainer but like most think it would have to be resolved by a second vote (I know the lib dems say they would reovoke if Swinson was PM and second vote otherwise).

Tbh I don't think the lib dems can move on until they have a leader who wasn't involved in the coalition.

And what is with all this attaching #girlyswot to most of her social media posts? It just looks idiotic and contrived and a product of a social media party focus group.

Mad leaflets saying "Your next PM Jo Swinson".........

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noblegiraffe · 23/11/2019 13:37

I think she’s going for bombastic self-confidence and instead hitting weird and attention-seeking.

Andsoitisjust99 · 23/11/2019 13:39

I find her policies around families to be way off base. So for that reason I wouldn’t vote for them.

NameChangeNugget · 23/11/2019 13:39

The LibDems need a drastic rethink. She’s not very engaging and their stop Brexit policy is making them look like one trick ponies.

Back to the drawing board I think. They are crying out for a Roy Jenkins, in his pomp

OlaEliza · 23/11/2019 13:39

I am a remainer but like most think it would have to be resolved by a second vote

What will have to be resolved? The country voted Confused

SymphonyofShadows · 23/11/2019 13:41

She’s awkward and wishy-washy. Doesn’t inspire confidence at all. I’m voting LD grudgingly this time as it’s the only way to get the incumbent expenses cheat out, but I’ll be holding my nose.

Venger · 23/11/2019 13:41

The libdems still haven't recovered from getting into bed with the Tories, add in their divisive policy of revoking Article 50 and they're just not that popular. I'm a Remainer and while I'd love to see Article 50 revoked, even if it's just temporary while the whole debacle of exactly how to leave is sorted out, it's just not practical. It would cause too much trouble, second vote to clarify what people want for sure but unilateral revoke no.

I think they'll make some headway this election but no way will they get enough seats to be anywhere near Swinson becoming PM.

wafflyversatile · 23/11/2019 13:45

Her voting record is disgraceful. Brexit has been a massive clusterfuck from start to end but revoking brexit out of hand is a massive fuck you to a significant proportion of the electorate. It will please some people but at great cost.

I think labour has the least harmful pathway out of the tories Brexit fuck up.

I haven't seen girlyswot memes but that is a stupid criticism on every level.

zafferana · 23/11/2019 13:46

I agree she's awful and I'm a Lib Dem member. I'm also a bit Hmm about their 'revoke the referendum' policy. I voted remain, but this country is democratic and if the vote is to be overturned then I believe it should only be done via a second referendum - anything else is undemocratic. I also have a massive problem with their stance on trans issues (see Feminism board), and their willingness to overturn women's rights and safety in order to appear the wokest party out there. They don't get my vote and Jo Swinson is, quite frankly, annoying. She doesn't have an icicle's chance in hell of being PM so she should shut up and focus on the issues people really care about (which is increasingly not Brexit, but everything else).

Venger · 23/11/2019 13:47

What will have to be resolved? The country voted

Nearly four years ago, during which time we've had more information on what will be involved in leaving, two changes of PM, and (soon) two General Elections. It's split the country and that division will only get wider the longer the current situation has to continue. The government, whoever wins it, needs to check that people still want to proceed with this course of action. Christ sakes, even my laptop gives me "are you sure!?" pop ups when I'm about to do something it thinks might be unwise.

MrsMaiselsMuff · 23/11/2019 13:48

Hasn't there been some research that people dislike her more the more that they see her?

Seems to be a theme with her party, Chuka Umunna gets more unpopular everyday.

1Morewineplease · 23/11/2019 13:48

I think that she has become a liability to her party now. Her performance last night was embarrassing to watch and her voting record is questionable.
Libdems have lost my vote.

GeordieTerf · 23/11/2019 13:48

She places a lot of emphasis on the “strong woman” angle.

Great...

However, Swinson believes that women have lady brains... which is somewhat inconsistent with her image...

Sagradafamiliar · 23/11/2019 13:52

I'm viewing this election as a sort-of second referendum. There is the LibDem option for the ones who really are set on remain, and then the others to vote for who are committed to leave or who will go for another referendum, the result of which could still end up with 'leave'.

MrsMaiselsMuff · 23/11/2019 13:56

I'm viewing this election as a sort-of second referendum.

It's not. It's about who runs the country for the next five years, be that in or out of the EU.

Snugglepumpkin · 23/11/2019 13:57

Jo 'trans rights are human rights' Swinson is worse than JC.

I wouldn't even vote for the Lib Dems as a protest vote (I'm in such a safe conservative seat none of the other parties have even bothered campaigning here)

She also has a really unsettling vibe to her.
I used to get the same reaction to Jimmy Saville.
No idea what it is about her but she comes across as creepy & unpleasant.

YeOldeTrout · 23/11/2019 13:58

I like her. It's like I'm watching someone else, I come away with such different impressions!

I am very annoyed at the British electorate for being unable to understand how coalition govt works.

In a minority as usual

Sagradafamiliar · 23/11/2019 13:58

I know that, mrs!!

Binkybix · 23/11/2019 14:01

I’ve met her a number of times through work and found her very pleasant and competent. I agree though, that she didn’t seem to go down well.

Binkybix · 23/11/2019 14:02

Agree yeoldetrout!

yikesanotherbooboo · 23/11/2019 14:05

She lacks charm in delivery and it somehow highlights the weaknesses in the Lib Dem pov. There is an element of it being her personal qualities on the stump but also the fact that she is not an older man and can sound a bit shrill in comparison which is clearly superficial and unfair.
I will vote for them and, actually am getting to like CU more as time goes by. The other two main party leaders in England have no credibility whereas JS is clear about her position. Going back to the coalition's mistakes now is futile and if we are not very careful a much greater and long lasting blow to our economy and livelihoods than austerity will have happened.
Clearly Corbyn 's manifesto is pie in the sky even if largely well meant and he is not going to get a majority. Anyone who does not want a Tory brexit/ no deal Brexit has to vote tactically at this point for lab or Lib Dem depending on constituency. Hold your noses regarding the bits you don't like; the lifespan of a Parliament is 5 years or less not a generation.

onalongsabbatical · 23/11/2019 14:20

Team #yeoldtrout. Team #Swinson. Team #girlyswot. Grin

Southwest12 · 23/11/2019 14:40

I like her. Her voting record reflects the fact she was in Government and had to follow the whip in votes. As a minister she was easy to work with, said thank you, and treated her private office well.

Jillyhilly · 23/11/2019 14:51

I thought she really took a hammering last night - much more so than the others. Interesting that both Remainers and Leavers are unhappy with her Brexit policy.

Strategically she is poor in my opinion. The Brexit policy is off-putting to even passionate Remainers who still believe in democracy. Tactically she has also really screwed up in Southwest Hertfordshire, where the Lib Dems have decided to run a candidate against the incredibly well-liked, tried and tested, out-and-out Remainer (and Independent) David Gauke. This will completely split the Remainer vote and could allow the Tories in. The decision was taken at the very top of the party according to Mathew Parris in the Spectator, and people are baffled by it.

She has a strange way of sounding both obsequious and strident at the same time, and it doesn’t work. Last night there was a weird amount of “oooh yes I totally understand the way you feel about that and of course you have every right to your opinion” and way too much “I made a mistake, please forgive me.” She should deal with her voting record head-on, proudly and assertively: in coalition you make compromises, and the Lib Dem’s kept the Tories in check; they were the junior partner and should be proud of what they achieved. She was at her best when pushing back against the claim that Corbyn isn’t anti-Semitic; at that point she came to life and sounded as if she actually believed in what she was saying.

I guess we’ll have to see what happens on the election, but I can’t see her staying on as leader at this rate.

lumity · 23/11/2019 14:55

I like her. She seems genuine which is a refreshing change. I mean, I’m not evangelical about her, but compared to the utter muppets that are the alternatives, she’s the only hope, let’s face it, I’m in a marginal borough where last time the Conservatives only won by 50 votes over the LDs, but the LDs will definitely win here this time as the borough was something like 75% Remain and nobody can bear BJ and his cabinet of snakes.,

BackforGood · 23/11/2019 14:58

I'm with you @YeOldeTrout

Particularly about the weird way the Coalition was portrayed in the media...... distinct lack of understanding of the lack of power Nick Clegg ever had, and how compromise works.

Christ sakes, even my laptop gives me "are you sure!?" pop ups when I'm about to do something it thinks might be unwise.

Grin Made me laugh. But is SO true.