To wonder why people don't vote Green?

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Given that climate change is such a pressing issue, and lots of us are remainers i am amazed that more don't vote Green.
Someone i know said it was their overly pro trans stance but to me this is nothing compared to the threat of rising sea waters or desertification etc.
What am i missing?

And yes, many more people would vote for them if we had PR.

And the Paris Agreement is supposed to be aiming at net zero carbon emissions by the second half of the century worldwide (not that the world is on track for it).

Because they've allowed misogynist activists to run amok and expelled members for raising legitimate safeguarding concerns. Because I cannot take seriously a party who claim to be all about scientific evidence whilst simultaneously claiming that some women have penises.

Because they profess to want to protect the environment and the countryside while advocating for endless immigration. Nothing would destroy the environment quicker than the kind of demented open borders policies they advocate.

Perhaps they think the millions who would move here could live on air and not need houses, or use roads, or require hospitals or schools?

@rosiejaune - if the Greens think people can identify their way out of their biological sex I'm going to assume they also think we'll be able to identify our way out of climate change.

That's how low their credibility is and I wouldn't trust them to run a pissup in a brewery if that's their level of intelligence.

*if the Greens think people can identify their way out of their biological sex I'm going to assume they also think we'll be able to identify our way out of climate change.

That's how low their credibility is and I wouldn't trust them to run a pissup in a brewery if that's their level of intelligence.*

Couldn't say it better than that, really.

I don't have a Green candidate in my area this time, or I probably would at least heavily consider it.

The terms man and woman, since we don't have separate terminology for the concept, are in common usage to describe either gender or sex now.

It can be confusing, and maybe there should be separate words for gender identity (try suggesting some, if you don't like people using what you consider to be a sex-based term), but they neither said nor implied that people could change biological sex.

rosie Can you find examples of the Green Party referring to men as 'non women'? Because as far as I can see men get to keep their name, it's only women getting erased.

My understanding is that greens is a party for men and non-men. I’d dont meet either criteria so can’t vote for them.

Also if you read the Green Party policy on trans rights it will quite clearly render biological sex meaningless.

Aimee Challenor
Non men
Safeguarding
Bullying

We had a safe Tory seat (the MP is leaving parliament this time). Whatever my views, my options are vote labour to get the Tory out, as we're in a pro-Brexit area so the tory voters will be out in droves, or waste my vote, as whoever else I vote for will count for nothing.

It's a depressing set-up. I remember a friend watching Tony Blair being elected and telling me that this was the last FPTP election we'd see as he'd push through proportional representation. As he didn't, and other parties have proved that the first past the post system supports them well once they're in power, why would you fritter your vote away on smaller parties?

Because they won't get elected, to get the Tories out needs a larger party.

Because I want the Tory's out & voting Green in my constituency won't make that happen

I vote Green locally and in EU elections because there are local candidates who are sensible including one who is GC, and they actually get in.
Nationally their policies are a mess and a vote for them means Tories get in, locally.

If you actually vote Green they have a chance, if you let other people put you off, they will go nowhere.

We live in an area where you could put a Vogon poet up as a Tory candidate and they would get elected, Green wouldn't stand a chance whereas the LibDem candidate just might as he does a lot of good locally and has done for years. A vote for Green would be wasted except as a protest vote.

I wouldn't base a GE vote on trans rights policies but in any constituency my main concern would be ensuring the Tories don't win the seat. I would vote accordingly for any candidate who wasn't Brexit party.

You wish @rosejaune!

There is certainly a hard core of people, like you, pushing so hard to try and make the words 'man' and 'woman' interchangeable and meaningless and you've been cleverly engaging in reglation capture in every area of public life to try and create the illusion that this is 'common usage' now. Nice try but back in the real world people know bullshit when they smell it. not envy.

Basically rosiejaune I would like to see the Greens, and other political parties, talking about rights for women that don't include men, or non-men.
For women, as a sex.
The Greens don't like to talk about women as a sex, and one of their members & officers said they don't want my vote, nor do they want me as a member, because I believe in sex-based rights for women.
So they don't get my vote any more, nor my membership fees.

I still get the emails though, I should probably look into that.

I vote green exactly on the premise they wont get in. I dont want them in a majority power, but a stronger presence in the house of commons for environmental reasons can never be a bad thing.

Aimee Challenor
I'm a woman not a non trans woman
Aimee Challenor

Women’s rights, using the term ‘non-men’ in their previous manifesto, the Challenors, not giving a statement on the Verita report.

Their new manifesto does refer to women at least, and apparently seems to be related to services for women as a sex rather than a gender.

I’d be more inclined to vote for Greens but I can’t get past what they did in the Challenor case.

Well they’re nuts. I used to habitually vote greens (feeling quite strongly about climate change and human rights) when I lived elsewhere where their Green Party weren’t mental.