To think it's time the Queen passed the throne to Charles?

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Given recent events concerning Prince Andrew, and the ensuing scandal, is it time for Charles to take over as King now? The Queen has been dedicated all her life to her civil duties, and continues to perform them well, but as she and the DOE are getting older, it appears her/their ability to control situations with some of the other members of the royal family is waning.

It could be argued that both Harry and Meghan and now Prince Andrew seem to be ignoring advice, unwisely sharing their grievances with the media and striking out on their own with the inevitable backlash (I am referring to interviews, not libel actions). Anecdotally, more and more people are saying it's time to get rid of the royal institution.

If Charles were to become King, it is probable that he would streamline the RF to just William and his heirs and make some needed adjustments, such a move might renew interest in the RF, increase their popularity and ensure their continuance as Charles is more in touch with the mood of the nation.

Also just read this provocative Daily Mail article,

Headline: 'The Queen 'backs' Prince Andrew and 'believes him 100 per cent'

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7698021/Queen-goes-horse-ride-Windsor-Castle-grounds-days-Prince-Andrews-car-crash-interview.html

Do think something has to change.

Wallis did not want to marry him at all. It was never her intention. She had to, he forced her hand.
Yes she could have run away (she tried to) but he went ahead and abdicated.
I think they were pretty miserable together but had to keep up the front

There wouldn’t have been a war with the UK anyway if Edward had become King as he was very in with the Nazi’s www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35765793

NO to Charles.

Whatever one thinks of Andrew being best friends with Epstein (and I don't think much) Charles is no better....let us not forget HIS rapist best buddy was Jimmy Savile.

That was a man who actually sexually abused sick children in their hospital beds. For that I hope he is burning in hell right now.

And I don't believe the Royals didn't know what he was when it seems that it was common knowledge what he was; their endorsement of him assisted him to hide in plain sight.

So bad as Andrew is I don't think the rest of his family are any better. Charles accepted hospitality from Savile and the Queen gave him a knighthood which btw has never been revoked.

Apparently Savile was brought in to counsel Charles and Di when they were having marriage problems. Now even if he hadn't been a paedophile, what on earth qualified him for that?

Imagine if Charles got dementia, not unheard of for a man his age, before he came to the throne. Making him king would be actually an act of cruelty.

QueenOfTheAndals The Duke of Edinburgh also had a crack at the Charles and Di marriage guidance counsellor role . Prince Tactless and Yewtree Savile - with all the resources at their disposal, were they really the best the Royals could do?

Imagine your job is waiting for your mom to die, it's pretty thsnkfilus

I hope Charles never gets to be king and the crown goes straight to William!

With an hereditary monarchy you don't get to choose, the crown goes to whoever is next in line regardless of how unsuitable that person may be.

I hope that nobody gets the crown and we become a republic. The monarchy is damaging for the incumbents as well as for the country, the damage is up there for all of us to see.

At least Epstein died in disgrace. Savile - the multiple child rapist - died as a knight of the realm with tributes to him led by none other than Prince Charles. What does that say about us as a country?

Imagine if Charles got dementia, not unheard of for a man his age, before he came to the throne. Making him king would be actually an act of cruelty.

It wouldn’t just be cruel, he might not be able to carry out his role. We would maybe end up with a regency

Charles’ scandal is probably coming. That’s why I feel like she has delayed so long already

Delayed what? Not dying?

the Queen gave him a knighthood which btw has never been revoked

I forgot this!

Why on earth hasn't it been revoked? Has there never been a petition put forward?

Mind you Phillip Green is also still 'Sir'

Saville was a very connected paedophile and my personal belief is that he had to die before his crimes could be revealed. So that like Epstein, he coundn't start singing.

Charles' scandal is coming? How much more scandalous can it get??

I know I say this every time, but just for a start there's the question of his "marriage" and if it actually exists. Don't forget that the legal report into its validity was sealed for his lifetime, instantly raising the question of why that would be done if it supported his wishes

@Puzzledandpissedoff There's a mystery about his marriage to Camilla??

QueenOfTheAndals apologies for the Mail link, but on this particular issue it's as clear as any ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265095/Charles--Camilla-marriage-Legal-advice-sealed-Princes-death.html

there's the question of his "marriage" and if it actually exists

Really? Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

Whatever you want to speculate about Charles, he is legally married and it’s veering into tin hat territory to suggest otherwise.

He and Wallis had no children. Was she infertile? Assuming it had been ok to marry her and remain King, there may have no heirs anyway.

Maybe at the age of 41 she felt she was too old for motherhood. She might have had the menapause.
This was her third marriage she might have just wanted to live it up.

So we have a Monarchy by birthright.

I hope those in that primogeniture will be ok. It is a different world now than it was back when Queenie was coronated.

Charles may just trim it all down though, but he is not an inviting or interesting person just the same. I would hate to have to be the one to iron his newspapers and put his socks on every morning lol.

It is a different world now. And I think they know it.

The sense of entitlement will disappear once HM goes. I think people will have a lot more freedom to have a say then.

Well, I’m delighted that I live in a country where I can safely have my say now.
I hope the royal media watcher is monitoring all these threads and keeping a good eye on the mood of some of the royals subjects because with the events of the last few weeks there’s a lot of people not happy and PAs carry on is just one more faux pas in a long line of many.

I think if everyone was prospering, could live where we wanted, work where we wanted, take the maternity leave that we wanted, holidays abroad and so forth, many people would feel a lot more generous towards them

But just look at our society. We are so oppressed at every layer, you only have to read around these boards to read how many people are struggling financially, emotionally like hamsters on a wheel getting nowhere fast..and the fact that you need to earn £100k a year to live in a modest house in the capital with your family..is now just insane.

This no longer is about PA and the dodgy company he keeps. He’s personally done more than anyone to shine a spotlight on their privileged world and highlight just how unfavourably it compares with ours

That’s without bringing homeless, food banks , crisis in the nhs and UC into it
People have had enough of austerity. Making do. Juggling all these balls into the air

Personally I would let Philip and the Queen move to sandringham with a small group of servants . I wouldn’t be uncharitable. All palaces and castles to be run as museums for the benefit of the people and tourists.
Charles gets to stay at high grove, Anne, Edward william and harry get to keep their homes.
PA to be packed off to America to be questioned.
All titles abolished..including lords, ladies etc
We really don’t need them..and they know it.

I mean just look at this.
It’s sheer insanity isn’t it?
Imagine if it was open for tourists all year round ...just look at the earning potential

I just wonder why are we allowing this.

How many servants are there in Buckingham Palace?
About 400 people work at the Palace, including domestic servants, chefs, footmen, cleaners, plumbers, gardeners, chauffers, electricians, and two people who look after the 300 clocks. Buckingham Palace has 775 rooms including 19 state rooms, 52 royal and guest bedrooms, 188 staff bedrooms, 92 offices and 78 bathrooms.

Another vote for abolish.

• As a thought experiment just reverse the situation. If you were setting up a country from scratch - would this endless cascade of interbred, over-privileged, tossers be the system you would choose to select the heads of state?

Even if Charles trims down the monarchy in terms of public engagements to his son, or even just to William, he’s not suddenly going to cut his brother off penniless

Monies will still find their way to Andrew, just as the Queen’s retired cousins still get money and haven’t been expected to get part time jobs

People talk about Charles slimming it down, but the Queen started that process. When Beatrice and Eugenie became adults if the queen wanted them as full time royals they would have been. Despite Andrew’s pushing she’s never allowed it

Andrew only very recently became one of the royal colonels at Trooping of Colour. That’s now something he’ll do every year. If Charles was seriously intent on slimming down and had the Queen’s ear that wouldn’t have happened. They’d have either stuck with Charles, Anne, William and the Duke of Kent after Philip retired or they’d have added Harry. To me that’s a clear signal that whilst Beatrice, Eugenie and Edward’s children will have no roles his siblings won’t be cut out

Whatever you want to speculate about Charles, he is legally married and it’s veering into tin hat territory to suggest otherwise.

Isn’t the question more about his constitutional position than the marriage itself?

He’s over 25 therefore can marry who he wants regardless of the monarch or government giving permission. The question is can he married a divorcee in a civil marriage and be the head of the Church if England. If he’s not eligible for that then can he be King?