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To remind you how fabulous Boris Johnson is

255 replies

Snowy111 · 16/11/2019 11:48

It’s an old clip but he’s on top form.

www.theguardian.com/media/2013/mar/29/eddie-mair-boris-johnson-journalism?CMP=share_btn_link

Go Boris!

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danmthatonestakentryanotheer · 18/11/2019 16:59

The article in question can be found here

www.spectator.co.uk/2004/10/bigleys-fate/

Remember that Johnson allowed this to be published. Including this paragraph

The extreme reaction to Mr Bigley’s murder is fed by the fact that he was a Liverpudlian. Liverpool is a handsome city with a tribal sense of community. A combination of economic misfortune — its docks were, fundamentally, on the wrong side of England when Britain entered what is now the European Union — and an excessive predilection for welfarism have created a peculiar, and deeply unattractive, psyche among many Liverpudlians. They see themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it. Part of this flawed psychological state is that they cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, thereby deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance against the rest of society. The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident.

So whilst they not have been "whinging scousers" they were still responsible for 96 deaths and the police were just "scapegoats" ? Remember Johnson allowed that to be published!!

DioneTheDiabolist · 18/11/2019 18:06

Jeremy Corbyn was single when he was with Diane Abbott.

Boris Johnson is a sexually incontinent scumbag who isn't even responsible enough to practice safe sex.

Xenia · 18/11/2019 18:12

I imainge you have no more evidence of whether BJ practises safe sex as Jeremy C though. Mumsnetter is full of posts from women who got pregnant when on the pill, when using a condom and all kinds of other cases.

Clavinova · 18/11/2019 18:35

Jeremy Corbyn was single when he was with Diane Abbott.

"The book, which draws on interviews with close friends and members of Mr Corbyn’s family, sheds new light on how his brief relationship with Ms Abbott–now a member of his shadow cabinet– helped establish his credentials on the Labour Left."

"According to a Labour figure present at the time, Mr Corbyn may have thought that letting it be known that he was in a relationship with a black woman would demonstrate his commitment to radical Left-wing politics."

"The witness describes how Mr Corbyn contrived an incident where a group of party activists had to visit his bedsit, where their arrival startled Ms Abbott" [who was naked at the time]

“One Sunday autumn morning, he had broken up with Jane [Chapman, his first wife], and we were out leafleting.And for some reason he called four or five of us and said: ‘Oh, we’ve got to go back to my flat and pick up some leaflets.’

“It seemed a bit odd"... "So we all bowl along to his bedsit, follow Jeremy into the room; there on the mattress on the floor in the one room is Diane with the duvet up to her neck, saying: ‘What the ’s going on?’

“We were quite shaken"

Snowy111 · 18/11/2019 19:14

User in my defence...

I started the thread linking to the Eddie Mair interview video. Pumper linked to Twitter. I copied and pasted the list from Twitter. I did say that it wasn’t my list on page 3.

I didn’t have time to fully fact check the list. I should possible have put a disclaimer on the post and made clearer that it was copied from twitter and I hadn’t written or fact checked the list.

I have said earlier in this thread on page 2 that it’s hard when you are working full time and have full lives to investigate what is fact and what is fiction.

I’m not a politician or journalist legal whizz, I’m a single mum on not much more than minimum wage!

Was quite upset at your post, and it did make me think I need to be more careful about what I post. Particularly because there might be people reading it that would be offended by it.

But I’m afraid I still think Boris is awful!

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DioneTheDiabolist · 18/11/2019 19:21

One day a group of people went back to someone's bedsit to get more leaflets. His girlfriend was still in bed when they arrived. She was a bit shocked when we all walked in.

It's ^^ that story with a Telegraph spin on Corbyn.

Clavinova · 18/11/2019 20:26

It's ^^ that story with a Telegraph spin on Corbyn.

There is a different version in the Daily Mail Grin

"The three walked in to discover a naked woman on the bed. Diane Abbott, Corbyn proudly announced, was his new girlfriend. ‘He wanted us to see her in his bed,’ recalled Veness. ‘She was shocked when we entered.’

StoneofDestiny · 18/11/2019 20:46

1.On Muslim women, Daily Telegraph, 2018.

In a column for the Daily Telegraph, Johnson compared women wearing burqas to "letter boxes".

In the £275,000-a-year column he wrote it was "absolutely ridiculous" that "people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes".

He wrote: “If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled… to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly.

If a female student turned up at school or at a university lecture looking like a bank robber then ditto: those in authority should be allowed to converse openly with those that they are being asked to instruct.

  1. Libya “dead bodies” comment, 2017.

At the Conservative party conference in October 2017, Johnson was criticised after claiming the Libyan city of Sirte would have a successful future as a luxury resort once investors “cleared the dead bodies away".

  1. Disrupting Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe’s appeal process, 2017.

Johnson was accused of disrupting the appeal process for British citizen Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe’s release from an Iran prison after he said she had been teaching journalists in Iran when she was detained, contradicting her statement that she had been on holiday at the time.

Her family, including her husband who is currently on hunger strike in order to get the government to take another look at her case, blame Boris for her continued incarceration.

A few days after he made the remarks, Nazanin was summed before an Iranian judge and faced charges of engaging in propaganda against the regime.

  1. On Bashar Al-Assad, Telegraph, March 2016

Hooray, I say. Bravo – and keep going.

  1. On the EU and the Nazis, The Sunday Telegraph, 2016.

Johnson claimed that the past 2,000 years had seen failed attempts to recreate the "golden age" of the Roman Empire.

Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically. The EU is an attempt to do this by different methods.

  1. That £350million Brexit claim.

During the Brexit referendum in 2016, Johnson controversially supported the claim that the UK sends £350million to the EU every week.

The figure appeared on the infamous Brexit bus and led to a campaign to prosecute him, which was recently unsuccessful.

  1. On Turkish president Tayyip Erdoğan, The Spectator, May 2016.

There was a young fellow from Ankara

Who was a terrific wankerer.

Till he sowed his wild oats

With the help of a goat

But he didn’t even stop to thankera.

  1. On Malaysian women attending university, 2013.

At the World Islamic Economic Forum, Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak said that 68 per cent of women were going to be attending university, to which Johnson quipped:

[Female students went to university because they] have got to find men to marry.

  1. On Hillary Clinton, Telegraph, 2007.

She's got dyed blonde hair and pouty lips, and a steely blue stare, like a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital.

  1. On black people, 2010.

What a relief it must be for Blair to get out of England. It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies.

  1. On his time as editor of Spectator.

Johnson was heavily criticised back in 2008 about a Spectator article which was published when he was editor of the publication. Ken Livingston and a black lawyer accused him of condoning racism after he allowed an article to be published which said:

Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole.

  1. On Barack Obama, The Sun, April 2006.

The part-Kenyan president [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire – of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender.

  1. On Eurosceptics.

I can hardly condemn Ukip as a bunch of boss-eyed, foam-flecked euro hysterics, when I have been sometimes not far short of boss-eyed, foam-flecked hysteria myself.

  1. On voting Conservative.

Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3.

DioneTheDiabolist · 18/11/2019 22:52

He wanted us to see her in his bed,
Says the Tory aligned press. To everyone else, it's a non story of people going back to a bedsit for stuff, someone still in bed and the subsequent embarrassment.🤷‍♀️

longwayoff · 19/11/2019 05:27

Dianne Abbott naked? And in a man's bed? Terrible. Any more tosh from the Telegraph or Spectator? House manuals of the Tory party. Yes, of course there is. Written by and for ex public schoolboys who get over excited about 1. Commie lefties and 2. Any sexual content. Dear god.

borntobequiet · 19/11/2019 05:42

From what I remember of the 1970s that was pretty normal behaviour. I’ve stayed in bed in a small flat/bed sit many a time when friends came round. Happier days (a shit decade but it doesn’t matter when you’re young).

LellyMcKelly · 19/11/2019 05:47

Boris is an arse who seems to spend most of his life jacked up on the finest Colombian marching powder. Never mind having Donald Trump as a role model. He takes his lead from Boris Yeltsin.

longwayoff · 19/11/2019 06:21

Was just reflecting yesterday that Yeltsin appears to have been the model for Trump and Boris. Improved in the WestHmm

StoneofDestiny · 19/11/2019 06:32

Let's not forget the anti Scottish poem Johnson allowed to be printed in The Spectator when he was Editor. If you substitute Scots for Jews or Blacks, imagine the outcry. Johnson, the man the Tories thought was their best! The man who thinks he should speak for all the people of the UK. He is without doubt a racist who clearly thinks cultural and physical genocide is a joke. What a vomit inducing arse he is.

The Scotch – what a verminous race!
Canny, pushy, chippy, they’re all over the place, Battening off us with false bonhomie, Polluting our stock, undermining our economy.
Down with sandy hair and knobbly knees!
Suppress the tartan dwarves and the Wee Frees!
Ban the kilt, the skean-dhu and the sporran
As provocatively, offensively foreign!
It’s time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified
To pen them in a ghetto on the other side.
I would go further. The nation
Deserves not merely isolation
But comprehensive extermination.
We must not flinch from a solution.

Mistigri · 19/11/2019 06:39

The nation
Deserves not merely isolation
But comprehensive extermination.
We must not flinch from a solution.

Thought my opinion of Johnson could not go lower but that is appalling. It's not only the anti-Scottish sentiment that is shocking: the use of the language of the holocaust as a joke makes it anti-Semitic too.

bellinisurge · 19/11/2019 06:49

I once saw Yeltsin speak towards the end of his era.Or rather , mumble incoherently. He was a shadow of the bombast. Something to aim forHmm

bellinisurge · 19/11/2019 06:50

Hope they reprint that poem on every election leaflet in Scotland.

StoneofDestiny · 19/11/2019 07:08

the use of the language of the holocaust as a joke makes it anti-Semitic too

Exactly. Everything is in there - racial profiling, ghettos, racial purity, extermination, 'a solution'.

Odd how little is made of this in the largely English produced media. Odd how Johnson isn't attacked in the same way Corbyn is.

When Johnson was criticised for his attack on Liverpudlians his only retort was 'that's a kick in the pants for me'.

Everything is a joke to him - he is allowed, largely unchallenged, to insult whole swathes of UK citizens with impunity - yet this is the 'cream' of The Tories. (If this is their best, you'll be voting for their worst if you vote Tory in this election)

Xenia · 19/11/2019 07:37

There is always a lot of this kind of thing on all sides flying around in election campaigns.

People just need to see through most of it and get at the policies which really matter for the country and decide what is best. In general particularly given how left wing Labour currently are the Tories are best for you and your family.

StoneofDestiny · 19/11/2019 07:41

Xenia - the Tories have never been more right wing than they are now!

Voting for your government should be about voting for the common good.

Snowy111 · 19/11/2019 08:13

Well we’ve had 10 years of Tory policies and if you’ve needed health care or support for elderly parents, or response from the police, or pot holes to be fixed, or growing children to be able to afford houses, or not to see so many homeless on the streets, then you probably won’t vote Tory.

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StoneofDestiny · 19/11/2019 08:36

If you want the future of any of our public services secured you would not vote Tory.

StoneofDestiny · 19/11/2019 08:37

Tories got us into this Brexit shitfest and they are not the people to get us out of it.

Mistigri · 19/11/2019 09:07

^The nation
Deserves not merely isolation
But comprehensive extermination.
We must not flinch from a solution.^

I just do not understand how anyone could vote for someone who printed this.

I guess a lot of people are comfortable with holocaust jokes if they come from a Tory.

Clavinova · 19/11/2019 09:17

Just checked some of these;

4. On Bashar Al-Assad, Telegraph, March 2016
Hooray, I say. Bravo–and keep going.

The title of his article was;
"Bravo for Assad–he is a vile tyrant but he has saved Palmyra from Isil"

"I suppose it is bizarre to feel such joy at the military success of one of the vilest regimes on earth." ...
"There may be booby traps in the ruins, but the terrorists are at last on the run.Hooray, I say. Bravo–and keep going. Yes, I know. Assad is a monster, a dictator."

12. On Barack Obama, The Sun, April 2006.
The part-Kenyan president [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire–of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender.

We went through this one on Sunday - he was referring to all the other people who had suggested this in The Guardian, The Times, Forbes Magazine ...
www.theguardian.com/world/deadlineusa/2008/dec/03/obama-grandfather-maumau-torture
www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0809/opinions-paul-johnson-current-events-obama-anti-british.html

9. On Hillary Clinton, Telegraph, 2007.
She's got dyed blonde hair and pouty lips, and a steely blue stare, like a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital.

The title of his article is; "I want Hillary Clinton to be president"

"Who should have their finger on the nuclear button? Who should be Commander-in-Chief of the American military, the hugest and most lethal killing machine in history?"

"Supporting Hillary means passing over the powerful claims of other good candidates.There is the plainly brilliant Barack Obama" ...

6. That £350million Brexit claim.
During the Brexit referendum in 2016, Johnson controversially supported the claim that the UK sends £350million to the EU every week.

Might end up being that amount by the time we actually leave - our annual contributions have just gone up by £2 bn, the EU have agreed to increase percentage of GDP contributions - they have yet to discuss phasing out the rebate.

5. On the EU and the Nazis, The Sunday Telegraph, 2016.

Not sure Johnson used the word 'Nazis' himself, although The Sunday Telegraph did. Somewhat hypocritical in that opposition MPs and others are continuing to reference 'Nazis', 'facists', 'far right' etc.

8. On Malaysian women attending university, 2013.
He says;
“Some people seem to have misconstrued something I said at a press conference 5 days ago, about relative male underachievement in university entrance. It is utterly ludicrous and infuriating to suggest that I think women go to University to find a husband."^