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Holiday plan - friend being generous or taking the piss?

101 replies

Chet326 · 13/11/2019 07:36

Every few years we have a university reunion where a few of us get together, whoever can make it at the time as we live all across Europe. We are all blokes, in our late 30s now.

This time around, while discussing a destination to meet up (eg, London, or another city in Europe where one of us lives or would be fun for two or three days visit ) a certain friend in, let’s say, Italy, leads off with “hey, why don’t you all come over to my place, I can put you all up and we’ve got a great beach, weather etc”. Problem is last time he hosted the meet up, which was about eight years, here’s what happened: Me and friend B, both travelling to Italy, contact him a few days before start date to say, “hows it going! so what’s the arrangement when me and friend (both travelled from England) get to airport in Italy?” Friend: “oh shit, I’d totally forgotten you guys were coming! I’ve got a lot of shit on work wise right now, but I’ll definitely make some time for you guys”. Proceeded to have half decent holiday with other friend, while friend in Italy drifted in and out of activities, took us around a couple of sites, had a a few beers and laughs, but was fairly distracted half the time with his work (of course me and other friend had put all our own work on hold, as this was meant to be a holiday). I think friend in Italy considers himself a pretty good host, and to be fair if it was a “i want to check out Italy, could you put me up for a couple of days?” I’d say he was decent enough. But that, obviously I would have thought, was not the idea. It’s not about being “hosted” by him, but rather having a great time together totally free from other commitments for a couple of days. What happened last time pissed me off somewhat. And on top of that, it pissed me off that he asked us to chip in €20 for petrol while we were there, seemingly oblivious to the fact that me and friend B and had forked out €100 for flights for what was meant to be Our (capital O) holiday.

This time around I’d be happy for them to come to my city, or to travel to his city again, or somewhere else, but I would expect everyone to drop all their work commitments for a couple of days. Of course I wouldn’t object to anyone seeing or Skyping family briefly during the day/at night, but certainly no work commitments . That, for me, is a holiday/meetup. The last time around was about eight years ago, but I have a feeling he’s still somewhat self-absorbed and I can foresee a repeat. At the same time I don’t know how to say nicely “nah, rather not stay with you” and don’t want to blow off the whole thing...What dya reckon?

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AryaStarkWolf · 13/11/2019 11:19

Also, to who ever said that the OP was "holding it against him for 8 years" I think there's a difference between holding something against someone and remembering what happened last time they did the thing friend suggested ffs

PurbeckStone · 13/11/2019 11:21

I find it quite weird how you keep mentioning the petrol money / cost of flights thing. Yes, there may be cultural differences and I personally wouldn't have asked for 20€ petrol money either, but I think you're probably massively underestimating the cost of hosting people. Hosting two friends for 2-3 days costs me a lot more than 100€, I'd probably spend closer to 200-300€ (decent food and wine, two bottles of good gin, nice tonic, fresh flowers, etc.).

Chet326 · 13/11/2019 11:21

@Villanellebelle
Yep, I’m pretty intense. I definitely identify more with Hulk than Iron Man.

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TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 13/11/2019 11:24

I think he got you to fly to him because it was much less effort on his part. He's trying to take the mick again and make it easy for him (I bet he didn't put that much effort into having you stay with him).

(I've lived a lot of places, I know which friends make the effort to visit, and which don't).

Has he been other places for meetups in the meantime (Someone else asked this, and maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen the answer)?

Do you have a hankering to visit wherever he is?

Can you keep up comments in the whatsapp (or whatever) so he doesn't forget this time? Or maybe book some kind of group activity (going to a concert or something) that he has to pay for so he's a bit more invested in it?

Chet326 · 13/11/2019 11:25

@PurbeckStone
Yeah, well, my friend didn’t spend shit on meals, drinks etc etc or anything else. Which was cool and all, but I’d rather not be expected to pay for the petrol already in his car - and yes I know you pay for a taxi service as many, many people have mentioned before. But I thought there was a qualitative difference between A) a professiona, taxi service and B) giving a good mate a lift to and from the airport who has travelled 500 miles to visit you.
Sorry, Mumsnet, that’s my ENTITLEMENT again!

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Chet326 · 13/11/2019 11:27

Sorry I mean 1500 miles

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charm8ed · 13/11/2019 11:27

8 years ago why didn’t you text your friend Italy a day or so before your trip and say looking forward to seeing you, we land at such a such time?

BloggersBlog · 13/11/2019 11:37

Im just wondering where Friend A is in all this....Hmm very suspicious by his absence...Grin

Bibidy · 13/11/2019 11:41

@Chet326I get it and I wouldn't want to travel all that way if the person I was visiting wasn't free to enjoy the time with me either. It's not like he's just putting you up, it's meant to be a reunion for the three of you.

If I were you I would either just suggest another location under the guise of not wanting to put him under the pressure of hosting, OR I'd agree to go but ask whether he'll be able to book the days off from work as you really want to spend the time with him. If he can't/won't, then I'd ask him to give some dates that work for him as it's better if you're all off work.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

charm8ed · 13/11/2019 11:48

I think a neutral location mini break would be a safer option.

AryaStarkWolf · 13/11/2019 11:55

So was the last time you all met up, the time you met up in Italy? If so he's clearly just being lazy/a bit cheap expecting you and your other friend to come to him all the time

NaomiFromMilkShake · 13/11/2019 12:02

You need to channel Elsa.

Let it go, let it go....Grin

I get wound up by flakiness, but even I would be over it after eight years.

I think neutral would be best.

IAmBeatrixKiddo · 13/11/2019 12:06

You sound like a sulky teenager instead of nearly 40 - who are you to dictate what these other grown men do? Grow up and stop living in the past!

SheeshazAZ09 · 13/11/2019 12:25

I think perhaps the first time round, friend in Italy was not clear what your expectations were, far enough in advance to plan for that. I think it may be a problem of communication. It even seems to me that you were not communicating often enough or in timely fashion, given that he forgot about you but you only learned that a few days before you were due to arrive.

Having said that, I would stay as independent as possible this time round and not rely on him for anything more than what he was able to provide this time. But again, try to communicate with him beforehand so that both sides are clear on the expectations.

Goldenchildsmum · 13/11/2019 12:26

Yep, I’m pretty intense

You don't say? Biscuit

Doggybiccys · 13/11/2019 12:27

@Chet326.....I completely get where you are coming from. I cut out friends who were a bit like this but on a smaller scale - plans would be agreed, hotels booked, travel tickets bought then there was also one (there were two actually) who baled at the last minute for work/family/personal reasons - nothing serious though - example, broken boiler when there was a gas man arranged to fix and DH was at home and we only going away Friday morning to Sunday morning.

It was as if their arrangements were more important than ours and/or that they didn't really want to come - fine, but just say so. We ended up having to pay more to cover the costs e.g. 4 in the minibus instead of 6, pre-booked spas etc. We just ended up planning with out them and they faded away.

Go with neutral -if he doesn't make it, then he really doesn't want to go.

Hope you have a great time in either case.

TheMidasTouch · 13/11/2019 12:29

"Also, to who ever said that the OP was "holding it against him for 8 years" I think there's a difference between holding something against someone and remembering what happened last time they did the thing friend suggested ffs"

This.

Antigon · 13/11/2019 12:37

@NaomiFromMilkShake

You need to channel Elsa.

Let it go, let it go....grin

That is sooo 2013.

Antigon · 13/11/2019 12:39

@Goldenchildsmum

Yep, I’m pretty intense

You don't say? Biscuit

Well I prefer intense to a boring biscuit response anyway.

Cloverbeauty · 13/11/2019 12:48

Damn you're a cheeky git. Being upset over 20 euros for petrol when you've gotten a free holiday minus flights? For most people that would be an extra hotel cost of hundreds plus travel within the country.

Stop being a stingy bastard and pay for petrol. And try to cheer up and have fun with your friends.

Seaweed42 · 13/11/2019 12:48

Sounds like the 'Italian' friend just wants to make things easy for himself. He does not want to commit to a holiday, but wants the other lads approval by saying he is 'in' on the trip as he fears isolation if he does otherwise.
A typical sit on the fencer. So when the holiday does come around, in reality he gets resentful because you others 'made' him have the holiday when he was busy with work.
He signs up for stuff that he really doesn't want to do, in order to get approval and then 'acts out' because his unconscious tries to get the point across. He'd be the employee that says 'yes' everytime his boss asks him to work late. Then goes home and rants to his wife incessantly about how much everyone takes him for granted. He doesn't really know his own mind because his approval-seeking makes him sing to everyone else's tunes. It's very hard to deal with these people. So I am not surprised you are having a difficulty with getting any sort of straight answer from him.

WidowTwonky · 13/11/2019 12:52

YANBU. For all those PP harping on a free holiday - the point of it was not a holiday. I was meant to be a get together with friends. Instead it was a trip where he saw very little of his friend

Damntheman · 13/11/2019 12:56

You're taking an unreasonably hard time here over this OP! I would also have been upset in that situation. I went to Australia once (from Norway) and specifically went to a certain city to see an old friend. When I got there I ended up seeing said friend for about an hour (out of three bloody days) and then mostly hanging out with his (luckily lovely) housemate because friend had internet gaming dates he couldn't possibly postpone for me having flown half way around the world to see him. Took me about five years to get over my irritation over the whole thing.

I agree with PP. Tell your friend you'd like to experience somewhere new this time and suggest a neutral location. Then he'll HAVE to book time off and be present with the holiday.

Bibidy · 13/11/2019 14:40

I completely get where you are coming from. I cut out friends who were a bit like this but on a smaller scale - plans would be agreed, hotels booked, travel tickets bought then there was also one (there were two actually) who baled at the last minute for work/family/personal reasons - nothing serious though - example, broken boiler when there was a gas man arranged to fix and DH was at home and we only going away Friday morning to Sunday morning.

It was as if their arrangements were more important than ours and/or that they didn't really want to come - fine, but just say so.

@Doggybiccys YES! I have friends like this. They commit to a weekend with us which takes ages to plan and then it turns out they're planning to slip away first thing Sunday morning for something else they have planned after ours was arranged.

It just makes you feel like an inconvenience and you'd just rather they had said they couldn't come in the first place.

Bodear · 13/11/2019 21:17

Op I would try to construct a response in the correct format but I can’t be bothered (and think you’re quite rude and condescending for instructing us as to how to communicate with you). You sound quite overbearing and demanding.
You’ve been asked quite a few questions on this thread that you haven’t answered so it’s difficult for people to give further advice.
As pp have said, irrespective of where you go relaxing your expectations may make for a happier life and better friendships. Good luck.