Boiled eggs on a train court case

[Iamthewombat]

Does anybody else feel sorry for the woman prosecuted for objecting (quite vigorously, I admit) to somebody eating smelly hard boiled eggs on an early morning train?

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/city-worker-flew-into-rage-at-commuter-over-boiled-eggs-breakfast-on-train-from-chelmsford-to-a4284821.html

Because I do.

The boiled egg eater is the very definition of a drama queen. According to the story, she had already been told by a different passenger that the smell of her eggs was offensive but carried on regardless.

After being challenged by the woman who was later prosecuted, she pretended that she couldn’t speak English, then told the police about the altercation. Then pointed the other woman out to police when she saw her on the train five days later!

I know who I support, and it’s not the anti-social egg eater. Who apparently had to eat her eggs in a public place ‘because of her diet’.

Why ask someone of they speak English unless there's a racially motivated aspect to the attack?

...because it is possible that Egg Eater does not actually know she is causing offence based on the words spoken

Don't use the subjunctive or complicated words if your subject can't understand the basics

I was threatened by pakistani males and went to the local police to report it and they did not give TWO SHITS

Last time someone laid into me for an imaginary sleight (it really was imaginary - someone having a bad day I suppose) I just said ‘piss off you mad bat’ and have her the evil eye.

Not very eloquent but I didn’t go crying to the police.

‘piss off you mad bat’

Can I borrow that?

Of course. I also used it when someone kicked the car because she didn’t like where we parked it - on a meter (I come across some very odd people).

DH says I will end up on YouTube one day as the ‘mad bat lady’.

The person at fault here was the abusive woman for not being able to control herself.

Is the correct answer. Most people manage to control themselves, whatever the provocation - she didn't, hence the prosecution. Simples.

Did woman really say those words?
To egg Woman :

1. don't you know who I am? 2)Let's take this outside.

Are those proven?? Cctv? Other witnesses?

I only ask because they seem odd.

1. don't you know who I am - is only said by semi famous people / celebrities that no one knows, who they actually are, but the celebrity thinks they should be recognised and/or thus treated better.

2)take it outside?
Sounds like the kind of thing a rough teen would say to another girl in a nightclub - ie do you want a fight?

A 50 year old woman says this to egg woman ? On a moving train? How would you 'take this outside' ? Jump off the moving train?

‘don't you know who I am?’ - to which the reply should have been ‘no don’t you know who you are? Anyone know this woman? She doesn’t seems to know who she is.’

‘Do you want to take it outside?’ to which the correct answer should have been ‘yes, you first’.

Why ask someone of they speak English unless there's a racially motivated aspect to the attack?

Because, as you'd know if you'd read the thread as I'd pointed it out earlier, when Mead spoke to egg eater Erika about the smell, and before it kicked off, Erika didn't actually reply but just shrugged her shoulders. So not unreasonable to wonder if egg eater Erika could speak English. And possibly even more so if she had ignored other passenger comments about her smelly egg rather than engaged politely.

Which is no doubt why the jury found Mead not guilty of the racially aggravated charge.

Did woman really say those words?

That’s what’s being reported in the press.

Beyond that, none of us can say, given that we weren’t there.

Didn't someone say it was "you don't know who I am" rather than "do you know who i am"?

The first suggests to me a threat and the 2nd someone trying to draw attention to their z list status.

What is egg eaters race though? She looked like she could have been South American to me. Not a race.

I am the Egg(wo)MAN....googooogojooob!

It says in the article that she’s from South America. From her picture I’d say she’s an indigenous South American rather than a South American of European descent. Why do you not think that counts as a race?

Does that matter? People round here use any excuse to abuse someone on their perceived racial differences whether they are correct or not.

Have anything other than white skin and you are fair game.

I witnessed a lady shouting at a white lady in the supermarket queue the other day. The shouter had asked the lady a question about the saucepans she was using. The 2nd lady responded with "I'm sorry I don't speak English". It was like a red rag to a bull. The 1st lady launched into a tirade "why are you sorrym don't be sorry, it's disgusting that you live here and don't speak English" and so on. It was hideous. The poor victim of this was in tears. It was horrible to watch. The shouter then turns to me and says "you agree don't you"? No, no I don't. Its a disgusting attitude and I told her as much.

You might not class that as a racist attack but I do.

The smell that makes me gag most of all is cigarettes. Can we stop people getting on a train or bus if they have smoked in the last 30 mins? I much prefer eggs to that smell

I would like food free carriages.

I gave up a reserved seat at a table for a journey because when I got there the man in the aisle seat (I was window) had a load of cold chicken legs he was gnawing on and the smell/sight was revolting. (I'm vegetarian)

Eating eggs like that is unsociable.

What is egg eaters race though? She looked like she could have been South American to me. Not a race.

'race' includes colour, nationality and ethnic or national origins.

If the egg eater believed the attack was racially motivated she had every right to report it as such.

@OakMaiden But this wasn't a Virgin train, it was a commuter train where they don't sell food! Trains were privatised quite a while ago, and what one franchise does, foodwise, doesn't impact the other operators.

I've been commuting for nearly 30 years and have never been on a commuter train that sold food!

Do you speak English? you're disgusting!

Is a bit more ambiguous

I have been known to ask DS if he understands English when when he is being particularly pedantic or ignoring me.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD

But presumably you know your son's race, ethnicity and that he can indeed speak English, no?

If you ask, indeed shout in someone's face "do you speak English" when that person appears to be of a different race then you run the risk of being labelled racist.

Had she yelled at the woman "are you deaf?" which would have been equally relevant given the circumstances it would have been disablist.

Eating eggs like that is unsociable.

I don’t think people use trains to socialise.