Boiled eggs on a train court case

[Iamthewombat]

Does anybody else feel sorry for the woman prosecuted for objecting (quite vigorously, I admit) to somebody eating smelly hard boiled eggs on an early morning train?

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/city-worker-flew-into-rage-at-commuter-over-boiled-eggs-breakfast-on-train-from-chelmsford-to-a4284821.html

Because I do.

The boiled egg eater is the very definition of a drama queen. According to the story, she had already been told by a different passenger that the smell of her eggs was offensive but carried on regardless.

After being challenged by the woman who was later prosecuted, she pretended that she couldn’t speak English, then told the police about the altercation. Then pointed the other woman out to police when she saw her on the train five days later!

I know who I support, and it’s not the anti-social egg eater. Who apparently had to eat her eggs in a public place ‘because of her diet’.

Laurie Re: She said she was confused and intimidated and English isn’t her first language

Erika the egg eater's own words: "The woman asked me if I spoke English and I said no because I was scared and confused."

I'd say it was perfectly understandable to take that as "pretending not to speak English", especially when it was abundantly clear in court she speaks excellent and fluent English and was speaking in English to Mead after her initial denial of speaking English.

It may well be the reason why the jury cleared the racial charge is because it was probably a not unreasonable question for Mead to have asked when having been asked not to eat the egg, Erika didn't reply but did a shrugging shoulders gesture.

LaurieMarlow you make youself look like a proper knob with your grammar pedantry, or was it my sentence construction you have a probelm with? You know perfectly well that I was saying many people find the smell of fast food offensive and just because it is eaten more commonly on public transport than hard boiled eggs (ime anyway), that doesn't make it ok as 2 wrongs don't make a right. But you know that.

And anyway, arguing that eating hard boiled eggs in confined spaced with other people is ok just because they are healthy is just ludicrous.

I regularly commute on a train and wouldn’t eat an egg cos it’s antisocial imo. None of these other foods smell anywhere near as bad as eggs. Foul and disgusting! (less bad if chilled down). Makes me wonder though about how an old acquaintance of mine manages now egg snacking is de rigeur as she is allergic. Once people were making muffins in the same large kitchen diner and her throat swelled up. Scary. @PassMeAnotherCoffee - what specifically are the perfume components you are allergic too? Does it trigger anaphylaxis, or more an intolerance?

What a shame that in their virtue-signalling fervour they didn’t notice that the question was, “do you feel sorry for the woman who was fined?” and “was the punishment disproportionate?”.

I’m going to wilfully ignore the attack on people who don’t agree with you @Iamthewombat.
But the answered to your question is a big fat NO.
No I dint feel sorry for someone who thinks it’s ok to be so aggressive towards another person. I want to feel SAFE when I’m taking a train and man or woman, someone who is acting like this doesn’t make me feel safe.
Was the punishment being disproportionate? Tbh I’ve given up trying to see proportionate punishment overall. Nit when a man who attacks their partner is spared jail because ‘she was winding him up’.
But I welcome the sentence because too many people seem to think it’s ok to act that way. And it seems that it includes you @Iamthewombat and few other posters. If that sentence acts as a deterrent on those thinking that a bd smell is enough of a reason to be aggressive like this (and act illegally In the process), then it will have done its job.

with your grammar pedantry, or was it my sentence construction you have a problem with?

Nothing to do with grammar, but what you actually said. You might want to work on clarity.

Personally, it’s not so much the health thing, but the objection to people eating real, unprocessed food.

I’d hate to see people eschew the likes of eggs, bananas, tuna for fear of offending and be restricted to banal over processed cereal bar type crap instead.

In this case, egg sandwiches were actually sold on the train. So if the train itself declares them acceptable, then it’s certainly not this woman’s role to say they aren’t.

. It’s the same people that complain about smelling other people’s shampoo, fabric softener, perfume from a mile away

....what about the ones who can smell how many hours ago you had a shower and whether you strip washed or washed your privates, from 2 postcodes away?

Egg woman should be grateful it wasn't me standing next to her. I wouldn't have said anything nor gotten aggressive. I would have tried very hard not to but I may well have puked all over her because that would have been enough to set me off and when I blow, it's very sudden and I can't stop it. With me it's fast and it's projectile. There's been times when I didn't even have time to bend forward. I once turned an entire wall, admittedly in my own home, purple after eating blackcurrant cheesecake because someone thought it would be funny to drop their rotten guts in my face.

I don't think I am entirely alone in having a touchy gag reflex. Maybe stinky public transport food eaters should be aware that if they choose to inflict their breakfast on fellow passengers that the occasional fellow passenger may return the favour in a far worse manner.

What a shame that in their virtue-signalling fervour they didn’t notice that the question was, “do you feel sorry for the woman who was fined?” and “was the punishment disproportionate?”.

Given the level of attention people paid before diving in with their opinions, a fair response might be "what's the point ?". Any answer those questions will be based on very little anyway.

As I noted, a jury has clearly decided the facts of the case, and from there, the punishment is pretty much done by rote. So the wider question is really "do you feel sorry for this criminal ?" , and "is there a discussion to be had about sentencing guidelines ?"

And if anyone does feel sorry for a convicted criminal, they might want to bear in mind (a) a criminal is only what the law says they are, and (b) some people would happily strip this lady of her human rights, because "criminals don't deserve rights". Which I'd much rather people took away from this case rather than a rather abstruse debate about farty sandwiches and (semi-)public order offences ....

what specifically are the perfume components you are allergic too? Does it trigger anaphylaxis, or more an intolerance?

That is ridiculous, though, unless you ban all food in public places. I know someone who is allergic to strawberries and just being in the proximity of them can cause an anaphylactic reaction. And another person with corn. So you can't ban just anti social food - you would need to ban all food. Which would be a real problem for long distance journeys.

Oh my fucking word. Is that a true story? The bit where the egg eater says you're too old to behave like this! Who the hell thinks it is acceptable to eat eggs on a train?! That is insanity. Bad egg!

I can just imagine the majority of this thread sat at home fuming at the thought of someone eating a snack 😭😭😭

Anti social foods 😭😭😭

"if you harass someone while they go about their lawful business, you have broken the law"

Which makes you wonder why the courts aren't busy with all the sexual harassment cases that they take seriously.

Or all the cases of fat shaming.

Nice to see that the ageism has been ignored.

She should crowd fund for her fine, I'd contribute. We shouldn't have wasted public funds on this. A warning would have surficed.

A warning would have surficed

Which she'd have got if she plead guilty

If I was the judge I would have said

You - Shouty woman - apologise you egg woman for being so rude and aggressive
You - egg woman - please be considerate when scoffing smelly foods in a confined area. It’s not pleasant for others

Now shake hands and piss off out of my courtroom. I have actual crimes to judge...

you're too old to behave like this

You see, I didn't interpret that as ageism. I interpreted it as "stop behaving like a child".

None of these other foods smell anywhere near as bad as eggs.

In YOUR opinion. To some people on here (and IRL obviously) it is coffee, or tea, or oranges (I knew someone for whom they triggered a migraine) or any number of other things.

LordProf I'd like to have seen this tried by Judge Judy

DarkingNikita, eggs have always been known to be a stinky food, eggs and tuna type foods, they are like the comedy foods that you'd find in Beano or some other comic. Why are people arguing that eggs don't stink, or bringing up some random food stuff which hardly anyone has a aversion to?

tbf the majority of people aren't so averse to eggs they'll risk a conviction for it

But who would think theyd get a conviction for yelling at someone for eating eggs?

I dont feel sorry for this woman because she was aggressive to someone who was eating her breakfast which is a matter of personal opinion if it smells but perfectly legal and she is not breaking any rules let alone laws. Intimidating and verbally abusing someone however is against the law so the woman got what she deserved. Those offended by smells should concentrate their efforts on having ALL food banned from public transport as what is offensive to some is innocuous to others.

I dont think that will help minimise the smells on public transport anyway as I was commuting once while pregnant and a man reeking of alcohol who hadn't bathed in days made me so sick I had to get off the train and was late for an appointment. I still would have had no right to verbally abuse him for smelling as that is not illegal and even if it was if is not my place to enforce the law but that of law enforcement which in this case it was and the aggressor was found to be in the wrong. End of

@LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD, anyone who knows that yelling at someone and behaving aggressively can take you to the judge?

I mean if a partner was doing that in your house, you would be right to involve the police....

Boiled Eggs are sold in little tubs to snack on in most food outlets these days. This legitimises then being eaten in public spaces I would say.

I have to say if tuna and boiled eggs are o ful, I’m wondering why in earth we can still find and people still eat
Egg mayo sandwich
Tuna sandwich
Tuna mayo baked potatoes....
All of which I see served in a regular basis in the small and enclosed NT cafes around where I live.

Maybe some posters would like to make a complaint to them too for serving what are basically quite traditional type of meals....