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To be worried about best friend and her husband (long, sorry)

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Downbythewaterside · 06/11/2019 22:21

For background, best friend (A) and I grew up together. I met DH and introduced her to a friend of his, who is now her DH (B).

We’re all married for close to 10 years and have DC. Every now and then I see behaviours in B that make me feel worried. B is a doctor, this is relevant. For context, B and I do not see eye to eye at all and have had ‘heated debates’ in the past. An example is B insisting that ‘women’ are all ‘depressed now’ because of the dual expectations of working in and out of the home, therefore it was better when they didn’t have the opportunity. A says he said it to wind me up, as he finds it funny that I’m a staunch feminist. I’m not sure if my underlying dislike of B is colouring my opinion. Some examples of things which bother me:

  • A sometimes let’s slip details of their finances. I noticed A has been very careful with money since becoming a SAHM last year, for eg she doesn’t have some winter clothing etc. We went shopping together and she let slip that since becoming a SAHM B hasn’t allowed her access to any of his accounts. He transfers a (in my opinion) very small amount of money to her account and she has run through her own savings. As he’s often non-contactable at work, she saves this money as a buffer in case she needs to do some emergency shopping etc for the baby. So won’t spend on herself. Worse still he’s made it her fault, telling her she is irresponsible with money. This is not consistent with my knowledge of A from childhood. Also, A doesn’t know this but my DH told me that B ran up significant debt in uni and after, and was bailed out each time by his wealthy father.
  • after A had a baby, she suffered post part in depression. B continued to work insane hours and didn’t take leave. A left to spend time with her parents, to support her. It came out that whilst she was away, B was staying overnight at an ex’s house. The ex was his last relationship before A. Again, when A confronted him, he insists A is in the wrong for not being ‘evolved’ enough to look past jealousy, and makes A feel petty. This has happened multiple times.
  • he will outright deny things. Small example, they moved into a house which hadn’t been cleaned. Anyone could see it was dirty. He just kept repeating ‘there’s no dirt’ and refused to acknowledge that cleaning was required, so he didn’t have to do any of it.
  • he will use being a doctor as a trump card. For example, when A was in hospital post birth he didn’t let her access any mental health/ breastfeeding support as he’s a doctor and knows better than nurses/ midwives. Last year, he tried to force me to give medication to my DD (under the recommended age) because he’s a doctor and knows better. He had a huff and we had words when I refused. I apologised in the end but didn’t medicate DD. He massively encouraged A to leave her part time job and be a SAHM.
  • this is the trickiest one. A had some MH issues when we were young. For whatever reason she has not told B about them. She also didn’t seek help for her postpartum depression and he encouraged her not to.
  • he does NOTHING around the house as she is SAHM and he’s a busy doctor. I appreciate this is none of my business but with everything else makes me wary.

No one IRL agrees with me. B is very charming and very extravagant with gifts etc. He is always making grand philosophical statements about ‘helping the sick’ etc but as far as I can see won’t extend that to his own wife and kid. A lot of stuff, A tells me in confidence so I don’t share with DH. Worse of all, A is completely in awe of B and won’t ever hear him criticised.

Am I being silly? Or should I be concerned?

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RandomMess · 06/11/2019 22:25

SadAngry

Sounds like a classic abuser, Mr Charming to the world, Mr Controlling Abuser behind closed doors...

Girlwhowearsglasses · 06/11/2019 22:32

He sounds awful and very much like a narcissist.

Financial abuse at the very least!

Cheeijlo · 06/11/2019 22:33

I think you are right to be concerned OP but at the same time there is not a lot you can actually do other than keep being a good friend, as you are doing, and making time to listen to her.

TheMobileSiteMadeMeSignup · 06/11/2019 22:36

Well he's a dick and I didn't even reach the end of the list. I guess all you can do is continue to be a friend to A and challenge B if he tries to pull any more shit with you, he can fuck off in a huff all he wants.

fikel · 06/11/2019 22:38

Awful man

Turin · 06/11/2019 22:44

Sounds like my ex husband to the last detail.

Doctor so knew everything, wouldn’t let me spend, controlled what I wore, who I saw, wasn’t even allowed out except for work and encouraged me to leave work and sell my rented property. I hope she can leave the toxic marraige with her sanity in tact. So grateful I got out.

SapphireSeptember · 06/11/2019 23:04

He sounds awful. Angry You are right to be concerned.

Downbythewaterside · 06/11/2019 23:06

Thank you all, even now I worry I’ve presented a biased picture of him. He’s very lavish in his praise, extremely generous with gifts but the more I get to know him the less I feel his actions reflect his words. Another example, he is extremely generous with my DD, both in time and buying her loads of gifts etc. As a result DD adores him. She really looks forward to seeing him. I understand that must be a bit annoying for him but he always encourages her and I always keep an eye for any sign of her being a pest and distract her away.

A few years ago we all met up after a long time on a week long holiday. I think B was having a bad time at work or home but he completely blanked DD who was 3 at the time. He refused to engage with her at all. Anything he does is always dismissed by A and DH because he has such a high pressure job.

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Baboomtsk · 06/11/2019 23:20

Guy sounds horrific.

Downbythewaterside · 06/11/2019 23:23

I feel like I’m not describing him properly. If I was to raise these points with A and DH, they would tell me about all the amazing things he does, how generous he is, how much pressure he’s under and how I’m oversensitive. I admit I’m protective of A, i was with her through the worst of her MH problems in our teens

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HyacynthBucket · 06/11/2019 23:24

Please read up about narcissism and controlling abuse, and then help A to do whatever she can to leave this awful marriage. It can only get worse.

RandomMess · 06/11/2019 23:34

Aren't a high % of senior doctors either psychopaths or narcissists? Well documented phenomena I thought.

LacedCocoa · 06/11/2019 23:48

Unfortunately for your bf, he sounds like a proper (vile) controlling misogynist. Everything you've mentioned - including the showering with attention and gifts, love bombing is part of the package for some narcissists. I hate that this sort of behavior is so normalized by society!!
And she probably wont see it until she hits a breaking point esp if she doesn't think what you're mentioning is a deal. But it will start subconsciously building up.
I s'pose just keep being there for her, and without hating on him too much to her - as it could lead to her not wanting to confront or confide in you once she realizes.

VenusTiger · 07/11/2019 00:04

@Downbythewaterside he’s a fake. He buys people’s affection, like your DDs, it’s much easier with a child too.
She won’t leave him though. Sad but true. You’ll end up losing her if you intervene.
Best you could do if you’re really worried, is to go and tell her parents everything in your OP and ask, for their daughter’s sake, not to say a word until they’ve decided if they agree with you about him.

Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 00:10

@venustiger
Thank you, that’s a good idea. I feel. A’s mum might be starting to question him as well.

It’s so hard to see whether I’m being unfair to them and poking my nose in where it’s not needed, I’m well aware every person and every relationship has flaws. It’s the weird totalitarianism which disturbs next, it seems his word is final in all situations

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Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 00:10

@RandomMess yes, and he is a surgeon

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Interestedwoman · 07/11/2019 00:11

Why on earth would a doctor not want his wife to get help for PND? Maybe he wanted to keep her down, and also if he didn't acknowledge the problem, he didn't have to do anything to help. :/ Either way, I find that very wankerish, even dangerous.

Obviouslynotobvious · 07/11/2019 00:12

You sound like a sensible caring friend. Have you looked up financial abuse and coercive control? I'd be concerned too.

Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 00:23

Another example is whenever A or I say anything whatsoever contrary to his opinions, no matter how calmly we say it, he tells us to stop being ‘emotional’ and ‘petty’

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Tortoiser · 07/11/2019 00:24

Jekyll and Hyde - right down to being a Dr too. He sounds bloody awful and I think you’re right to be worried for your friend.

blubelle7 · 07/11/2019 00:27

Classic abuse. Your friend is being emotionally and financially abused as well as potentially coercive control.

He fits the bill as well, narcissistic, in awe of himself, always right, never his fault (friend's ex DH arranged to meet her once and didn't pitch or answer his phone for 3 hours leaving her in the rain waiting outside his house while she waited while they were still dating. He managed to make it her fault and yelled at her for crying about it. How is not turning up to a meeting the other person's fault?), and so charming that noone would ever believe he is capable of hurting a fly.

She needs to leave

Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 00:30

@Interestedwoman
I don’t know. He doesn’t really articulate answers. It’s all just he knows better and there’s no need for ‘fuss’ and ‘hysteria’ and ‘over emotionalness’

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VanyaHargreeves · 07/11/2019 00:40

I hear you OP

One of my best friends husbands is an arsehole and I can't bear him

She has admitted to coercion and psychological abuse and admitted it has affected their children but shied away from details

His behaviour has been challenged but he is very much the martyr, really extreme chip on his shoulder, woe is me, I don't get the credit I deserve. He has paid lip service to resolving his issues but if his wife is absent he snidely tries to find ways of letting you know its her fault and she doesn't give a shit about his welfare, completely contradicting her own blatantly desperate concern about his behaviour

Impossible to have a conversation with about anything but the most mundane chat because venture into debate and he will interrupt you to "correct" you before you've made your point

Hated by his in laws, hated by his colleagues, has been disciplined so many times for starting and perpetuating petty feuds at work

She will never leave I think, they are religious

I really despair Sad

Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 00:51

@VanyaHargreeves yes I struggle with that, I try so hard not to get drawn into disagreements with him and usually sit there nodding my head to his bullshit.

The time with DDs medication and also the comments about women working (i work) I couldn’t help but rise to the bait

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Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 00:51

It’s a very odd dynamic. A is one of the best people I know but they both act as though she is lucky to have him rather than the other way around

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