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To be worried about best friend and her husband (long, sorry)

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Downbythewaterside · 06/11/2019 22:21

For background, best friend (A) and I grew up together. I met DH and introduced her to a friend of his, who is now her DH (B).

We’re all married for close to 10 years and have DC. Every now and then I see behaviours in B that make me feel worried. B is a doctor, this is relevant. For context, B and I do not see eye to eye at all and have had ‘heated debates’ in the past. An example is B insisting that ‘women’ are all ‘depressed now’ because of the dual expectations of working in and out of the home, therefore it was better when they didn’t have the opportunity. A says he said it to wind me up, as he finds it funny that I’m a staunch feminist. I’m not sure if my underlying dislike of B is colouring my opinion. Some examples of things which bother me:

  • A sometimes let’s slip details of their finances. I noticed A has been very careful with money since becoming a SAHM last year, for eg she doesn’t have some winter clothing etc. We went shopping together and she let slip that since becoming a SAHM B hasn’t allowed her access to any of his accounts. He transfers a (in my opinion) very small amount of money to her account and she has run through her own savings. As he’s often non-contactable at work, she saves this money as a buffer in case she needs to do some emergency shopping etc for the baby. So won’t spend on herself. Worse still he’s made it her fault, telling her she is irresponsible with money. This is not consistent with my knowledge of A from childhood. Also, A doesn’t know this but my DH told me that B ran up significant debt in uni and after, and was bailed out each time by his wealthy father.
  • after A had a baby, she suffered post part in depression. B continued to work insane hours and didn’t take leave. A left to spend time with her parents, to support her. It came out that whilst she was away, B was staying overnight at an ex’s house. The ex was his last relationship before A. Again, when A confronted him, he insists A is in the wrong for not being ‘evolved’ enough to look past jealousy, and makes A feel petty. This has happened multiple times.
  • he will outright deny things. Small example, they moved into a house which hadn’t been cleaned. Anyone could see it was dirty. He just kept repeating ‘there’s no dirt’ and refused to acknowledge that cleaning was required, so he didn’t have to do any of it.
  • he will use being a doctor as a trump card. For example, when A was in hospital post birth he didn’t let her access any mental health/ breastfeeding support as he’s a doctor and knows better than nurses/ midwives. Last year, he tried to force me to give medication to my DD (under the recommended age) because he’s a doctor and knows better. He had a huff and we had words when I refused. I apologised in the end but didn’t medicate DD. He massively encouraged A to leave her part time job and be a SAHM.
  • this is the trickiest one. A had some MH issues when we were young. For whatever reason she has not told B about them. She also didn’t seek help for her postpartum depression and he encouraged her not to.
  • he does NOTHING around the house as she is SAHM and he’s a busy doctor. I appreciate this is none of my business but with everything else makes me wary.

No one IRL agrees with me. B is very charming and very extravagant with gifts etc. He is always making grand philosophical statements about ‘helping the sick’ etc but as far as I can see won’t extend that to his own wife and kid. A lot of stuff, A tells me in confidence so I don’t share with DH. Worse of all, A is completely in awe of B and won’t ever hear him criticised.

Am I being silly? Or should I be concerned?

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RhinoskinhaveI · 07/11/2019 10:18

I hope she leaves him to rot all on his own in a dirty filthy house

IdblowJonSnow · 07/11/2019 10:18

Sounds awful. I hope she decides to go back to work so still has some independence.
How can your dh not see what a tosser he is? Ugh.
I would be extremely concerned too. You sound like a good friend.

RhinoskinhaveI · 07/11/2019 10:24

It's as if he has positioned himself as a kind of cult leader/guru figure and she is one of his awe struck acolytes

katkit · 07/11/2019 10:29

He might be a psychopath. Very upsetting reading.

GettingABitDesperateNow · 07/11/2019 10:29

Being generous and fun to be around doesn't stop someone or make up for someone being sexist (all the comments about hysterical women, preference for SAHM etc), gaslighting (no dirt here!), financially abusive (he is on a decent salary, he wanted her to stay at home, but she has had to burn through her savings?!), most likely a cheat (no one ever is ok with their partner staying at their ex's house), manipulative (every time she has a normal emotional reaction she is 'hysterical' and 'unevolved' and just generally nasty and controlling (knowing better about absolutely everything).
I would be worried as well.

The good news is she confides in you so part of her must realise that things are not quite right.

Things I would do -
Speak to her mum if you think its appropriate

Show your husband this thread and similar ones, I don't think some men can realise just how serious this is or can become (eg 'how they arrange their finances is up to them'...yes but your friend has no control over any of her own spending, I bet she cant even go out for lunch etc).

Try and put up with him and not rise to him. He is possibly trying to paint you as a bad influence so he can stop her seeing you. This will be easier if you spend time as a 4 and your husband is on board, he can invent a job for you or something.

If she ever wants to go back to work, if you can, could you give her any practical help with childcare etc. She needs to start building a fund of her own money but will be tricky until the child is in school (guessing they may not be eligible for the 30 hours).

If she is in complete denial I'm not sure womans aid is appropriate to bring up at this stage but others will better advise you on this

Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 11:53

@Hollachica

You are very right. I do worry a tiny bit that DD adores him and so as she grows up will see his behaviour as ‘right’.

I’m also very worried about him alienating A. She doesn’t see any of her friends from before marriage, she’s basically fully adopted his friends circle which is honestly just various exes of B’s who he still lavishes attention on. For example, the ex he stayed the night with, it also came out that he was pulling strings for her at work (she’s a HCP) and getting her posts near him etc. I’m As only friend from ‘before’ and I think I get his approval as DH’s wife than anything else

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Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 11:58

I’m more worried having read all your replies, a few other things are clicking into place. He tries to subtly denigrate her parents as well. For e.g. As family is not wealthy, and have a normal small home. Bs family is very wealthy with a beautiful home. He has several times stopped A from taking their DC to her parents, as it’s not ‘comfortable’ or ‘safe to be on top of each other’. Instead, he insists she stay at his parents nearby and visit hers when she travels

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Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 12:00

most likely a cheat (no one ever is ok with their partner staying at their ex's house), I told her this but he says my reactions are ‘hysterical’ too

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Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 12:01

I don’t think I’ll show this to DH, if he gets it, he won’t be able to stop himself having a firm word and then we’ll be blacklisted as well

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RhinoskinhaveI · 07/11/2019 12:03

He has his own harem set up so that he receives constant 'narcissistic supply'
his behaviour seems to fit quite well into HG Tudor's work on on narcissism (he has lots of videos on YouTube if anyone is interested although his style may not be to everyone's taste)

RhinoskinhaveI · 07/11/2019 12:05

dismissing everything that doesn't fit in with his worldview as 'hysterical' is not a particularly sophisticated way of dealing with things, I'd imagine that anyone not in thrall to him will see through him quite quickly?

happywifi99 · 07/11/2019 14:06

This is horrifying.

I get why you don't want to involve your DH, but I do think talking to him about it could be helpful if you can persuade him not to have a word and get you blacklisted (explain that's what will happen?). Can your friend contact Women's Aid or something like that?

Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 18:16

Hi guys, I’ve had a quiet word with A’s sister instead of her mum. I tried to talk about patterns of behaviour (focussed on all the times B denies obvious truths) instead of everything and she confirmed she’d noticed. I’ve asked her to make sure not to mention anything to A but watch and see what she thinks. She’s younger than us but quite clued up so I hope she can start seeing things for herself.

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Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 18:18

I think I’ve communicated it incorrectly, he isn’t horrifying at all day to day but once in a while I see these glimpses of things which worry me a bit

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Creepster · 07/11/2019 18:21

If they were horrifying every day we would have avoided them from the off, wouldn't we?

RhinoskinhaveI · 07/11/2019 18:31

he isn’t horrifying at all day to day but once in a while I see these glimpses of things which worry me a bit
the 'job' of the predator is to think over and above the prey, to stay several steps ahead. The predator stalks the prey, lulls them into a false sense of security, he wouldnt get very far if he acted like a cave man, he wears a mask and those glimpses happen when he lets his guard down a bit

happywifi99 · 07/11/2019 18:54

My ex was lovely day to day - little gifts, nice messages to wake up to, encouraging me when I felt crap about my exams. Didn't stop him from being a highly manipulative arsehole who convinced everyone I was psycho when I broke it off with him after a year of psychological abuse.
This is what they do. They charm everyone including their victim so it's harder to recognise and call them out on it and it sounds like he's doing it pretty well, unfortunately. Good call on talking to her sister x

Downbythewaterside · 07/11/2019 19:07

thank you all, I don’t think I’ll have any quick updates as I’m going to push forward quite slowly at just seeing if I can ask A questions and make her think about her own situation. I’m going to focus my energies on trying to encourage her to get back to work at some point so she has more options, whatever she chooses to do.

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