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To object to a religious song at a baby class?

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SecondTimer2019 · 06/11/2019 11:22

I take my baby (6mo) to a baby sensory class and this week the theme was 'rainbows'. At the end one of the songs played was 'Who put the colours in the rainbow?', which I remember from my childhood.

It asks who created all the amazing things in the world and ends by saying things like 'It can't be chance' and 'God made all of these'.

I'm not religious and think this environment should be secular. Obviously my baby can't understand the lyrics yet but I still feel it is inappropriate.

I'm thinking of contacting the organisers to let them know my feelings.

AIBU?

OP posts:
slipperywhensparticus · 08/11/2019 07:22

I would let it go I'm assuming she put it in because she thought the other parents would know it rather than twinkle twinkle rainbow star or baa baa rainbow sheep 🤷‍♀️ honestly I sang army songs at primary school I didnt join the army

londonrach · 08/11/2019 07:24

Seriously...you cant change words on a song. Grow up. I went to baby sensory and was great for mums and photos i got were amazing.

IceCreamConewithaflake · 08/11/2019 07:33

Cotton wool! Get your cotton wool here...

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 07:46

Well, at least this thread will be useful the next time anyone posts about how badly Christians are treated, how they are constantly mocked and belittled and how they are the “only group people feel safe to attack”. Grin. I’ll save it for the purpose!

MindyStClaire · 08/11/2019 08:54

I don't think OP is worried about her baby catching religion.

My feelings about it would be the same in a baby class or something aimed at adults. Don't advertise something with no religious messaging and then sneak in a song from one religion, with no "some people believe" for context, presented as fact. It's just good manners.

slipperywhensparticus · 08/11/2019 09:23

I think they advertised it as a baby sensory class I'm not sure if the small print guaranteed no subliminal messages

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 09:29

I missed that it was a sensory class. Of course that should be entirely secular!

BigFatLiar · 08/11/2019 09:46

I hope if they mention evolution they add 'some people believe'.

The primary source of your childs education about life is you and your current partner. He/she will be exposed to lots of sources this is a minor issue. You are free to teach him/her to mock others beliefs to your hearts content, at 6 mo all they will getting is a pleasing sound.

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 09:51

“ . You are free to teach him/her to mock others beliefs to your hearts content,”

Would you care to have a look at who is being “mocked” on this thread?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 08/11/2019 10:15

Seriously...you cant change words on a song

Well, you can and I do for special occasions. For example at my Halloween session rather than This Little Piggy going to market I did This Little Wizard, and instead of Down in the Jungle with snakes and crocodiles I did Down in the Graveyard with witches and skeletons.

You can also change the tune. One woman, quite famously amongst those of us who deliver these sessions, had a brain fart and forgot the tune to Twinkle Star so sang it to the theme of Raiders of the Lost Ark instead.

On the whole I agree though, I dislike changing words just because of some silly complaint. As I mentioned up thread we've only ever had complaints about two songs, the Pirate Song because apparently mentioning a bottle of rum will turn 3 year olds into raging alcoholics, and the Jeelly Piece song for reasons that were never quite forthcoming (I suspect pure snobbery).

Babdoc · 08/11/2019 11:06

It always amuses me when atheists try to censor any mention of God.
If you’re so sure He doesn’t exist, what are you afraid of?
And how exactly does it damage your children to know that they are loved unconditionally, that their life has meaning, and that death is not the end?
Thousands of Christians, including me, have had direct encounters with the presence of God. For us it is not a matter of faith, but of fact.
And atheism is only a belief - you cannot prove the non existence of God.
With all the stresses on children and teens in the modern world, it is greatly beneficial to their well being to know that they are loved and valued by God, no matter how many mistakes they make, exams they fail, or how despised by their peer group, or however lacking in expensive fashion items or physical attraction they may be. I was raised by abusive and unloving parents, and am sustained by the thought that God is my heavenly parent.
The church does an enormous amount of charitable and social work in turning round damaged lives and supporting the marginalised, from lonely pensioners and struggling families to convicted prisoners. Atheists seem keener on mocking than supporting our work.
Honestly OP, have a think about what you’re actually objecting to.

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 11:10

“ Atheists seem keener on mocking than supporting our work”
Who is mocking who on this thread?

And who is suggesting censoring all mention of God?

bluebird3 · 08/11/2019 11:22

This week at baby sensory it was pirate week and we sang 'what would you do with a drunken sailor?,' but I don't think they're promoting infant alcoholism. Not worth getting upset about - just a song.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 08/11/2019 11:46

Well quite bluebird, I find it bizarre but the bosses have agreed to change the line so mostly I just don't use the song anymore.

Though speaking of drunken sailors we sing What Shall We Do With The Lazy Baby? to that tune. Mostly so we can answer sit him on your knee and tickle all over, clap her hands together 1,2,3 and bounce him on your knee and get a little faster. I have no objection to this complete rewrite and it's one of the most popular ones amongst parents so there is a place for changing words.

JacquesHammer · 08/11/2019 11:50

Atheists seem keener on mocking than supporting our work

Do you think all the charitable endeavours you mention are the sole bastion of the Church?

Luftschloss · 08/11/2019 12:11

Thousands of Christians, including me, have had direct encounters with the presence of God. For us it is not a matter of faith, but of fact.

Good luck with trying that 'fact' in a court of law.

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/11/2019 12:37

I'll have to have a word with the leader of the Play & Stay group I attend with DS2. She sang Pat-A-Cake last week and I know that at least one of the children there has coeliac disease. Pat-A-Cake should be banned or at least come with an explanatory paragraph in the Ts&Cs and a Trigger Warning.

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 12:41

“Thousands of Christians, including me, have had direct encounters with the presence of God. For us it is not a matter of faith, but of fact.“

Many of us will have had the same experiences- but interpreted them differently. That’s fine. I don’t impose my views on you- you don’t impose yours on me.

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/11/2019 13:11

have a look at who is being “mocked” on this thread?
Fecking eejits are being mocked on this thread with quite a bit of the mocking coming from atheists.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/11/2019 13:20

Coming from all sides from what I can see. Just as it should be!

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 13:24

“Coming from all sides from what I can see. Just as it should be!”

Really? A touch of selective vision there, I think!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/11/2019 13:29

Oh I don't know - looks fairly both ways at a glance.

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 13:36

Hmm - the only vaguely rude thing I can see being said by the people agreeing with rhe OP was me saying that overthinking was better than underthinking. Apart from that rhe “that parent””loon””precious” “FFS” “Do you have PND?” “Bonkers” and so on posts seem to come exclusively from the people disagreeing.

BertrandRussell · 08/11/2019 13:53

Not to mention all the oh-so-witty jokes at the OP’s expense about other popular nursery rhymes.

MintyMabel · 08/11/2019 14:15

What about Christmas Carols? I think you'll be hard pushed to shield your child from all those terrible religious songs.

Just looking, of the ones you generally hear, there aren’t that many of the, which actually refer to god or similar.

there is no state religion in Scotland
And yet the Church of Scotland has unfettered access to our schools. In “non denominational” schools, the amount of religious activity is pretty high.

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