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AIBU?

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To object to a religious song at a baby class?

602 replies

SecondTimer2019 · 06/11/2019 11:22

I take my baby (6mo) to a baby sensory class and this week the theme was 'rainbows'. At the end one of the songs played was 'Who put the colours in the rainbow?', which I remember from my childhood.

It asks who created all the amazing things in the world and ends by saying things like 'It can't be chance' and 'God made all of these'.

I'm not religious and think this environment should be secular. Obviously my baby can't understand the lyrics yet but I still feel it is inappropriate.

I'm thinking of contacting the organisers to let them know my feelings.

AIBU?

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owlalwaysloveyou · 06/11/2019 11:33

I wouldn't personally say anything but it probably would annoy me too. I can't quite explain why except it's not necessary to introduce one religious concept only in my opinion. The number of individuals you hear complaining about sexuality and gender being discussed in schools is okay to a lot of people but not to question religion around children seems silly to me personally.

PixieDustt · 06/11/2019 11:34

My DS playgroup is held in the church hall so this is to be expected but even if it wasn't I wouldn't go and complain about it.

strawberrieshortcake · 06/11/2019 11:34

Do you celebrate Christmas OP? Do you email OFCOM to protest against advertisers forcing religion into your 6 month old. YABU and you know it.

lotsofoysters · 06/11/2019 11:35

It would bother me, but I wouldn't say anything unless it's a regular thing to include religious songs. I feel it's as inappropriate as randomly starting a communal prayer for people who don't want to pray, but other people don't feel that way.

But if they also sang the colours of the rainbow song that goes "red and yellow and pink and green" I'd be annoyed by that too, it's just as inaccurate as saying that god made the rainbow Grin

QuantamBaby · 06/11/2019 11:36

OP - I understand your perspective. If it's a music class in a hall with no church affiliation why are they singing religious songs? None of the baby groups I've been to have sung religious songs apart from the one that was run in a church and so I didn't go back.

All those people laughing about 'catching god' would you go to music groups and happily sing songs worshipping Allah or praising Sikhism? Or would you think it wasn't appropriate to bring religion into a secular setting?

OP - I would brush it off as a one-off this time but if it becomes a regular thing I'd mention it to the group leader and if it continued I'd find another group.

00100001 · 06/11/2019 11:36

@TokenGinger - but OP hasn't said it is the "official" Baby Sensory classs, just a baby sensory class that might be run by the official people, the council, a local church, nursery school, local village group....

Alicia9999 · 06/11/2019 11:37

I went to two very religious schools, from aged 4-18 I sang hymns every single morning. I am super duper atheiest, my parents are and I always have been. I don't think singing 'god made all of these' is going to make a difference. Christianity is part of culture in the UK whether you believe in it or not.

BertrandRussell · 06/11/2019 11:37

Of course baby groups should be completely secular unless specifically stated to be otherwise.

Alicia9999 · 06/11/2019 11:38

All those people laughing about 'catching god' would you go to music groups and happily sing songs worshipping Allah or praising Sikhism? Or would you think it wasn't appropriate to bring religion into a secular setting?

If I was at a baby group in the Middle East or India, I would go along with it :)

norfolkskies · 06/11/2019 11:38

If its a one off, just a song that they found goes with the theme I`d be okay. If its god in songs etc more often than not, I would mind and Id be looking at another group tbh.

Excited101 · 06/11/2019 11:39

I agree with you op, there’s many people who don’t want to be included in such directly religious god chat like that, if it was a free sing song in a church hall it would be completely different!

ThatsMeInTheSpotlight · 06/11/2019 11:40

If none of the other members object to it, should it be dropped because you (as one parent) don't like it?
Or should you, as an adult, decide that since you don't like their song choice then this group isn't for you?

PotteringAlong · 06/11/2019 11:41

What are you going to do at Christmas?

Little donkey?
Away in a manger?

You are going to struggle!

ilovehalloween · 06/11/2019 11:41

This isn't a secular country.

SecondTimer2019 · 06/11/2019 11:41

Thanks for some considered, intelligent responses, from @sunshineangel and @johnsonsfiat. Yes, I think I probably am being unreasonable. I think it was a knee jerk reaction to the unquestioning lyrics. I would say, 'Yes, it surely can be chance!'

I'm surprised at how unopen to debate others are. I asked a genuine question about something that is extremely commonplace but makes me uneasy. Is it not possible to debate politely?

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MummyJasmin · 06/11/2019 11:41

YABU

I take it you don't celebrate Christmas...in case you don't know, it is a Christian festival Confused

NameChange84 · 06/11/2019 11:42

YABU. I'm sure you'll ensure your child won't "catch the God" as another poster said Hmm. Some people do believe that God created the world. Instead of shutting down any mention of religion perhaps, if your child experiences this kind of thing when they are of an age to understand, perhaps you could use it as an opportunity to educate them about the fact that some people have different views to your own and that it is up to your child to find a philosophy of life that suits them, religious or not. The group haven't done anything inappropriate. I doubt they were trying to evangelise and convert six month olds through the use of Who Put The Colours in The Rainbow. You could be overthinking this one.

TheFaerieQueene · 06/11/2019 11:42

I wouldn’t sing a religious song either. Why should I ?

Trewser · 06/11/2019 11:42

Do you have PND? Serious question. When i was bonkers and hormonal after dcs I genuinely got wound up about things like this.

AmIThough · 06/11/2019 11:43

@Alicia9999 Allah is literally Arabic for God...

carolina21 · 06/11/2019 11:44

So your not celebrating Christmas either ? Or Easter ?

AmIThough · 06/11/2019 11:44

Sorry @Alicia9999 meant to tag @QuantamBaby

MrsPellegrinoPetrichor · 06/11/2019 11:44

Good luck when your child starts primary school,no carols or nativity then?

Lilmissmissy · 06/11/2019 11:44

YABU- let it go. Its a song.
Relax and enjoy time with your baby!

Passthecherrycoke · 06/11/2019 11:45

OP can you explain what your objection is? I really can’t understand. I know you’ve said that it should be secular, but it’s a song. I mean the theme was rainbows

There is some amazing religious music, it would be odd to abandon it al from society in the pursuit of secularism. Someone created that music and those words and often it’s really, really good music