To think veganism is not for children?

[ohhhhlivia]

Yes, I am aware that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy vegan diet at any age. I know that.

However, it is more difficult and easier to get wrong if you want to be vegan. It still is restrictive (even with all of the new stuff coming out) as in you need to tell hosts, check menus in advance etc.

It's a barrier that has to be overcome. I don't understand why you would do that to someone who has no choice in the matter.

Lots of kids go through a fussy phase too, add veganism in and surely you're at a high risk of health problems?

I think what I'm getting at, is that childhood nutrition can be hard enough as it is, so it just feels wrong to make it harder for reasons that do not directly benefit the child.

OP 'given up on main topic, reiterates her main topic, oh it's so emotive. Gets more goady with fish don't feel pain'

Couldn't have put it better myself @crispycrisis

OP - I'm not even dignifying your fish question with a response. You are either being goady AF or you lack basic intelligence.

Anyway, can anybody tell me why seafood is excluded from vegan and vegetarian diets? Fish are hardly thinking, feeling creatures.

Well they aren’t if you’re a wilfully ignorant GF who can’t think beyond their own opinion.

So I guess that answers your question @ohhhhlivia

"Goady" is short for I don't agree with you and I'm going to be annoyed about it...

Seriously though. How can anyone get upset about a fish? Its a fish. Practically a mobile vegetable.

The point about dolphins is interesting but say a trout or a prawn? Don't get it at all.

Whether you regard a fish with any worth is up to you but you can't pretend they don't feel pain, they have nerve receptors and will try to get away from pain or danger. That's a fact.

I am a committed omnivore OP, and I don't object to killing things for food. But if you think a trout is virtually a mobile vegetable I suggest you go and catch one, kill it (bash its brains out or leave it to suffocate, the choice us yours) and then remove its guts, skeleton and central nervous system before you cook it. I think you will find it a little different to peeling a carrot.

I've done it (with a salmon actually).

I can understand people getting upset about cows and sheep. But fish? Genuinely don't get it.

@ohhhhlivia your OP makes so much more sense now. You seem to be lacking fundamental empathy, that's why alongside murdering animals in front of your children, you also think it's okay to judge vegan parents for their choices and can't tell the difference between a fish and a vegetable.

I wish you'd come out with this at the beginning and saved us all this trouble.

@ohhhhlivia I feel sorry for your children. I hope they have another parent to teach them empathy and compassion regardless of what their diet is. A fish being a mobile vegetable. What a pity for them

I can understand people getting upset about cows and sheep. But fish? Genuinely don't get it.

Of course you don’t - like I said, wilfully ignorant. Or a bit thick. And Goady - not because you disagree with me but because you’re very clearly sitting home alone using this thread as your only social interaction and throwing out statements that you know are inflammatory in an effort to get some form of social interaction.
Oddly enough animals and toddlers do exactly the same thing - make a nuisance of themselves for attention. After all anything is better than being ignored and alone isn’t it?

Have a lovely evening attempting to solicit online attention @ohhhhlivia- i’m off for dinner with real people in the real world!

You want me to have empathy for a fish?

Yet, concern for actual children is judgemental?

You can tell when someone has lost the argument when they resort to insults. I haven't done it once.

Oh and @crispycrisis, who do you think caught the fish?

It's not an insult it's my opinion. I truly feel sorry for your children

Lots of people choose to raise their children eating meat. But they are compassionate and have empathy towards living creatures. You think a fish is a mobile vegetable so I feel sorry for your children. I hope they have other influences in their life that can shape them

Yes dear

OP 'given up on main topic, reiterates her main topic, oh it's so emotive. Gets more goady with fish don't feel pain'

Yep, I think OP is a bit bored and without doubt is a goady fucker. I thought OP said 'I'm out' early this morning but it seems she couldn't help herself as she's was back commenting very soon after. I've got to give it to her though, shes quite entertaining although obviously very desperate for attention.

Op...you know what an ecosystem is right?
( hint...it's not an immobile vegetable!).

I didn't see this twist coming.

10/10 for originality.

1/10 for plausibility.

OP, do you know how to use Google? Fish most definitely feel pain. You must lack empathy to know that and still think they are a moving vegetable....

Had I known earlier how thick the OP was, I wouldn’t have wasted so much time on this thread. Thick and completely lacking in empathy.

Actually, most of the bile and ignorance has come from those defending veganism.

I haven't insulted anyone though I am starting to think that I'm talking to a bunch of adolescents.

Bizarre ideas about soy formula, donor milk, vegan Buddhists, hormone fed meat (that's the USA) and a complete lack of knowledge of how some people (particularly rural communities) live.

Teenagers in an echo chambers springs to mind!

@ohhhhlivia May I suggest you watch Cowspiracy and Knives Over Forks? They are both available on Netflix and will help to educate you on the issues we are discussing here.

Okay I am a meat eater but by christ I sure as hell don't see fish as mobile vegetables. I think it's completely justifiable to oppose any parent who does not feed their children a healthy nourishing diet which ensures their children thrive. I do not see veganism as a danger to children unless the parents are irresponsible and zealots about it, just as I don't see omnivorous diets as dangerous unless parents are irresponsible about it.

I truly think anyone thinking a fish as a mobile vegetable is very odd. Even the meat eaters and vegans on this thread can agree that is a very strange attitude to have

Interestingly, some people think as oysters don't have a central nervous system, that vegans can eat them. Apparently they're called ostrovegans! Who knew?!

Well it takes one to know one @ohhhhlivia.

I'm not sure what you were expecting people to say? You must be aware that every single nutrient the body needs, except B12, is obtainable on a vegan diet. So vegan diets in themselves are perfectly viable and healthy as long as the nutritional knowledge is there.

Being omnivorous does not preclude people from deficiencies, illness, or early death by any stretch of the imagination. How many ominores have been to the doctor about tiredness or dizziness and been shocked to find out how low their iron levels, were regardless of meat consumption, for example?

I think the amount of thinly veiled abuse you spout is odd, but what the hell.