To think veganism is not for children?

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Yes, I am aware that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy vegan diet at any age. I know that.

However, it is more difficult and easier to get wrong if you want to be vegan. It still is restrictive (even with all of the new stuff coming out) as in you need to tell hosts, check menus in advance etc.

It's a barrier that has to be overcome. I don't understand why you would do that to someone who has no choice in the matter.

Lots of kids go through a fussy phase too, add veganism in and surely you're at a high risk of health problems?

I think what I'm getting at, is that childhood nutrition can be hard enough as it is, so it just feels wrong to make it harder for reasons that do not directly benefit the child.

@Purplejay A few thick people don't understand the difference between a mother that gives her milk willingly to her child and an animal who has to be constantly impregnated to produce milk only to have it snatched away and given to humans.

@formerbabe yes in theory, although most would choose not to I imagine as eating animals is not part of your mindset.

The ‘as far as reasonably practical’ bit is what allows vegan parents to vaccinate their kids or take certain medications when there are no available alternatives.

@Veterinari

Depends on whether you believe consumption is exploitation. There isn’t a vegan rule book

You clearly have no idea what veganism is either

@formerbabe - why do you say that?

Wondering if a human can survive from birth on plants is fundamental surely to veganism

It’s not, because breastmilk.

Now can you give it a fucking rest. It’s like Groundhog Day on here.

Your post makes no sense

I do often think that these threads must be a real sanctuary for the lonely and ignorant. You potentially get more social interaction from a good old vegan-bashing than you ever get in real life.

A few thick people don't understand the difference between a mother that gives her milk willingly to her child and an animal who has to be constantly impregnated to produce milk only to have it snatched away and given to humans

Have we not all agreed that ethically breast milk is vegan? I have.

It still is a product that comes from an animal.

Philosophically, it's very interesting whether veganism is about consumption or exploitation as @Veterinari said.

Seems like vegans get very defensive about even pondering these questions.

I do often think that these threads must be a real sanctuary for the lonely and ignorant. You potentially get more social interaction from a good old vegan-bashing than you ever get in real life

You're here too

Philosophically, it's very interesting whether veganism is about consumption or exploitation as @Veterinari said.

Except you said that comment shows I know nothing about veganism? Make your mind up.

I suspect people are mostly frustrated and bored by your ignorant repetition than defensive.

It's also amusing how vegans have been very personal and unpleasant on this thread...proving that a love of animals does not make a compassionate person.

Except you said that comment shows I know nothing about veganism?

You're the vegan. You should know

You're here too
Yes because despite not actually being a vegan I think it’s important that the uninformed and wilfully ignorant GF don’t get to run the thread.

Also i’m On a night shift and it’s quiet. Don’t expect it’ll last for long.

You're the vegan. You should know

Oh I do - you however are clearly rather muddled

I’m not vegan. For clarity.

So if consumption is exploitation then breast milk is not vegan. I am genuinely interested in the definition. The earlier one left out the last part on the vegan society website which talks about dietary. I am genuinely confused and trying to learn without being called thick! But look if it is accepted on ethical grounds then cool. I am just interested where lines are drawn that’s all.

"A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

So if consumption is exploitation then breast milk is not vegan.

Only if vegan mothers believe they are exploiting themselves. Which is basically impossible. So, still no.

Also animals relates to non-human animals for most vegans so again BM is vegan

Also animals relates to non-human animals for most vegans
I should actually say that animals relates to non-human animals for most people regardless of dietary choice. Otherwise omnivores would eat humans too wouldn’t they?
However It’s only when we talk about vegans that people get pedantic about the animal definition

• I should actually say that animals relates to non-human animals for most people regardless of dietary choice. Otherwise omnivores would eat humans too wouldn’t they? However It’s only when we talk about vegans that people get pedantic about the animal definition. *

I completely agree with this, the Vegan Society definition clearly makes distinction between humans and animals.

So BM is vegan.

Not vegan but my 3 yo DD decided to be a vegetarian (It lasted a month).

Honestly I think I’d have struggled without eggs as they are so nutritious and easy. And that’s with a not picky DD; and we mostly cook from scratch. But that’s not to say it can’t be done, just by someone more dedicated than me.

I think there’s a lot of misconceptions about what children will and won’t like. Whilst not vegetarian let alone vegan, we eat a variety of protein (lentils, beans, nuts). DC have always liked these, yet I have had raised eyebrows about them being fed them from weaning.

Vegan is about not exploiting another species . Therefore a cow is meant to feed a calf not a human with her cows breast milk as it’s meant for her baby / species . And not another creature eg human . This is natural
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Therefore , a human is meant to give her great milk to her baby / species ( and not another creature eg a cow ) this is natural .
Thus b m is vegan as it respects whose milk
Is for who .

May I ask... a huge amount of vegetables and fruit grown are fertilised with manure. This means by-products such as anti-biotics are still present in organic, grown produce. Without the herds of cows, on the land, this fertilisation wouldn't be possible. Growing without fertile soil would be, so say, futile.

There are alternatives on smaller farms using different methods but a lot of organic produce in the UK is manure fertilised.

There are also many vegans whom shun leather and wear plastic shoes (ocean clean up campaigns?).

I'm asking, not being derogatory. Keen to see thoughts on sources for. What do you lot to do a avoid this part of the industry.