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AIBU to think it's no wonder some children will grow up to hate their lives.. .

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Spookytoast3 · 31/10/2019 20:34

.... And people should bloody well be more careful about how they speak to children sometimes?

My nephew, DH's sister's son, is ten. I have known him since he was a young toddler,and I have been biting my tongue for exactly that long. He has never had any boundaries, has always been allowed all the sweets, TV and xbox time he wants, is bought whatever he wants (only for SIL to chuck it in the bin weeks later when he loses interest)

BIL and SIL are very preoccupied with their own lives, and left him with PIL all the time, from babyhood. They never took him out anywhere. His first trip to the swimming pool was with DH and I when he was six, and his first trip to the local library (which he lives minutes away from) was with his school.

On top of that, and in my opinion the worst thing, is the language used by SIL and PIL towards him. They would call him "a nightmare" in front of him, "a bad egg," and say things like 'well there's no point in your mummy and daddy trying to do anything with you, you're bad, you're a menace" that sort of thing. SIL resents having to parent, and is very much the spoilt golden child - I think they've set DN up as a child who is "born bad" and is making poor Sils life hard, rather than admitting the truth that BIL and SIL have both shirked their responsibilities

I've seen him come into PILs from school, all excited about something, only to have the excitement squelched out of him by them sniffing and sneering.

DH and I tried our best, we have taken him for many, many days out and overnights, and found him a lovely boy.

Recently however, he is miserable - he stays up until midnight playing his video games, he doesn't want to see his friends any more, and he says he hates his life. I asked if SIL and BIL were going to take him to the GP- no, he's a moan, he's always been the same.

DH and I now have a baby of our own, and I can see the comments starting up again. PIL fell out with me a bit after her birth, as apparently I was "too excited and worked up" and "thought my child was better than everyone else's". Now that she's becoming a (very stubborn!) toddler, they're coming out with the comments. I've been told that DD is going to be "a nightmare" "a tomboy" and "not to expect she'll do anything she's told", they've tried to feed her sweets (hard jellies, a choking hazard) and they huff because I don't make her give them kisses,calling her "a bad girl"

I have been doing the silly "talk through your child" thing - "tell Nana you aren't a bad girl, you're a lovely girl, nobody has to give kisses" but I'm not sure if it's passive aggressive.

I'm just so sad for my nephew, and angry that they're now trying it with DD. I don't mean to sound precious, but that attitude is just not what I want for my child. DH has poor self esteem and low confidence, though it's got a lot better in recent years - but I can see why.

Sorry, not quite sure what my AIBU is- just a rant really, as I don't have anyone else to talk about this to, and don't want to rant too much to DH as it is his family at the end of the day. And I suppose some validation that I'm not some sort of naive snob, which I'm pretty sure they think I am

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Stayawayfromitsmouth · 31/10/2019 20:43

Yanbu, this is so sad for your nephew. It's so hard to be close but not able to rescue them from such a life because it's not technically neglect or abuse.
I guess you could keep inviting him places. I would definitely limit contact with pil for your dc they sound awful.

BillHadersNewWife · 31/10/2019 20:47

I think it IS abuse...it's emotional abuse. A friend of mine is 30 now and she had a similar childhood...her mum was depressed and had been in bad relationships...and she drank too much. She's shocked now that her DD has gone no contact with her...she's close to her Aunt and Uncle who helped her as you help your nephew...

bigchris · 31/10/2019 20:47

I'd have your nephew as often as you can, tell him as he gets older yours is an open door, he can talk to you about anything
I'd never let Dd round in-laws alone

Velveteenfruitbowl · 31/10/2019 20:48

I had far worse things said to me as a child. I’m pretty happy all things cobsidered (a lot of people have died in the past few years and we’ve been under a lot of financial stress). No issues with self esteem of what have you. I did go through a depressive teenage stage but then again so did everyone, it seems to be developmental. Children tend to be quite resilient.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 31/10/2019 20:49

*not saying that it’s not wrong just that it probably isn’t as harmful as it seems.

GingersAreLush · 31/10/2019 20:55

That really is so sad. I would try and spend as much time with your nephew as you can in your shoes, even if it’s just him coming over yours and playing his xbox there. Just to give him a break from what must be a terrible atmosphere of feeling unwanted and unloved.

As for how your in-laws speak to your child I’d not bother talking through her (although that can work) I would be more blunt and tell them my thoughts directly.

Samsamsuperman · 31/10/2019 20:56

In my opinion, you are absolutely right. The good thing is no one will have more of an influence on your child than you and your DH. Sounds like you are doing a great job.

Waterloosunsets · 31/10/2019 20:57

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Birthdaycakemondays · 31/10/2019 20:58

YANBU, but luckily for your DD her main influencer (you) can see that effects a child Smile it’s sad for your nephew, & no doubt will effect him in some way. But there are of course, much worse childhoods our there. But YANBU, definitely not.

transformandriseup · 31/10/2019 21:03

I'm sorry to say I know too many children growing up like this. One in particular was his dad's favourite child and was (from the outside) spoiled with gifts and food (he was obese by 7) but he was almost completely non-verbal because no one at home actually spoke to him other than to offer him more crisps/sweets etc.

OkPedro · 31/10/2019 21:04

I’d be furious if anyone spoke about my children that way. I don’t care if it would be seen as dramatic I wouldn’t allow any of them around my dd. Your post has really made me mad spookytoast3
Your poor nephew is being neglected and abused. I don’t think you can stand by and let this continue

Majorcollywobble · 31/10/2019 21:11

YANBU
You have been the one constant in your nephew’s life and no doubt will continue to be so . Just being there will help him a lot . When he’s older and has questions or issues you’ll be able to help.
Your DD has two parents who already know a lot about the best way to bring up a child and hopefully your nephew and DD will be close - there’s the same gap between my stepson and daughter and he was fab to her when she was small - they are close still at 40 and 30 respectively .
I agree with you that no child should be forced to kiss relatives - I’m now the proverbial hairy old auntie and have trotted that joke out on lots of occasions to help a reluctant child out! Stay as wise as you are and well done on being a rock to your nephew . Sounds like he’ll need it .

Throckmorton · 31/10/2019 21:12

I'd not let the PIL near your child, and I'd try to basically take your nephew under your wing as much as you can. Poor boy

Quirrelsotherface · 31/10/2019 21:12

So so sad. I second what a few posters have already said - please please be there for him as much as is possible. You could possibly be preventing a severe mental health crisis or suicide attempt in a decade or so's time. All this time he should be being supported and loved by these people and he's actually getting the opposite. Poor lad

Poppinjay · 31/10/2019 21:13

he was almost completely non-verbal because no one at home actually spoke to him other than to offer him more crisps/sweets etc.

You cannot make a child non-verbal by giving them sweets instead of attention unless they are also totally isolated, don't go to school, etc. Maybe there was something else going on that hasn't been shared with you.

Babybel90 · 31/10/2019 21:14

I don’t think I’ve met a parent yet who doesn’t think their “child was better than everyone else's” in fact I’m convinced mine is Grin

They sound awful and I feel for your DN, I’d probably try to spend as little time as possible with them.

ExcitedForFuture · 31/10/2019 21:19

That poor boy Sad.

I'd refuse to let the ILs around my child if they spoke like that to mine. It's horrible and I hate it when adults do this.

Not to the same extent, but my family have always been a bit negative towards me. I can't really remember any praise or positive comments. The negative ones have stuck though. I was always perceived as lazy, even though I'm not. On my birthday, DP told me I wasn't allowed to lift a finger and my grandad still had to chip in with 'oh I bet that suits you'. I also said many people have thought I was a lot younger than I am (I do look a lot younger) and he had to scoff and say 'yeah, sure they do' in a very dismissive way. My self esteem and confidence has always been really poor and it's only now in my mid 30s with an amazing DP that I'm starting to feel confident.

This stuff never leaves you. I had an amazing birthday. Lovely presents and a huge effort from DP. Those 2 small comments will still stay with me though. DP boosts me up hugely and is always full of compliments for me. I've struggled to even know how to just accept them.

Fightingmycorner2019 · 31/10/2019 21:24

You are not a naive Snob
You have very clearly laid out what the problem is
Please keep an eye on nephew . Poor little fellow . Just really sad

Pharlapwasthebest · 31/10/2019 21:25

Op. It’s emotional abuse, speak to the nspcc to get advice.

SchadenfiendeUnmortified · 31/10/2019 21:25

Children treated like this don't just have low self-esteem - they become horribly vulnerable to anyone who shows them even a tiny bit of affection.

Please - continue to support your nephew as much as you can, and keep your husband's poisonous family away from your DD.

namechangetheworld · 31/10/2019 21:29

Oh, your poor nephew OP.

I've had this from my DM my entire life. As a child (and an adult) I was made to feel like I was a tremendous disappointment and every single thing I did was wrong. The constant barrage of abuse had a huge effect on my self esteem, which has never recovered.

She has started doing the same to my DD(4). It's not as constant as it was when I was young, but the poison is slowly working its way in. Telling her that she's being a "silly little baby" when DD says that she will miss me. Telling her that she has "ruined her hair and looks awful" (because she twirls it around her finger when she's tired). Telling her not to make up "stupid words" (she has a sweet little nickname for her baby sister). When DD was a baby she didn't have a bad word to say about her, but now she's turning into her own (lovely) little person with her own personality she seems to hate it. She's such a good little girl, so full of joy, and I make sure I loudly correct her every time she says these things.

As others have said, just make yourself available to him. Make sure he knows you're there to confide him, he'll need it when he's older.

Bluerussian · 31/10/2019 21:30

That poor, poor boy; my heart really does go out to him.

Make yourself available to him (as much as you can), be interested in him and talk about different topics, go out sometimes.

Let him know that you are there for him and always will be. It's something for him to hang onto, he'll appreciate it.

Your little girl sounds smashing. Must get it from her mum.

Lulualla · 31/10/2019 21:34

If you can, you should rescue your nephew. You don't need to make it obvious but start inviting him for overnights at the weekend, and then extend it into the week. Are you close enough to his school to do that?

I know everyone is going to pile in and say it isn't your responsibility but really, it is. I was raised with the attitude that family is not just the group living in your home, but the whole lot and if someone is need then you take them in as if they are your own kid. If this were my nephew, I would just offer to have him and then keep extending it. Help him.

housebuyingistheworst · 31/10/2019 21:37

What's a PIL?

BloggersBlog · 31/10/2019 21:59

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