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to make universities accept an A level at grade E from a normal state school is as hard to get as B/A at selective schools!! ??

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oddjobgirl · 16/08/2007 22:28

Not my DS - but I've had a crowd of A2 students in my home. One who got what he was expecting and the others massively under. I've just watched the news - what a difference. Some of the young peoples here worked hard, competed with dis-interested class mates who dropped out, teachers over worked, exhausted, off sick for months on end... it's not a level playing field.

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SlackSally · 19/08/2007 16:27

'I'd like to know when those saying 'Oh, I went to state school and got good grades' were at school.

I went to a state comp but the standards have been steadily dropping, IMO, in the last two decades.'

Well, I only left my FE college two years ago and I got 3 As and a B (in less than fantastic domestic circumstances and whilst working 20 hours a week as well). I went to a local comp until I was 16, where I got good, but not amazing GCSE grades. I then moved to the local college, mostly because I hated my school and didn't fancy their well regarded sixth form. My college had a reputation for being for thick people, I think because it does GCSE retakes, access courses, vocational courses B-TECs etc. All of my friends who stayed on at sixth form used to rib those of us who had left. And I got better A levels than every single one of them. My teaching was, I would say, average. Not 'average' is the disparaging sense, genuinely, about average. The teachers all knew and were passionate about their subjects, but all taught large numbers of students, so one to one time was limited. They did, however, offer help during lunch hours and via email, so it was available, but only if you took the initiative. In all of my classes, grades ranged from As to Us. I would say, therefore, that it was down almost entirely to a student's level of ability and, especially, commitment.

Having said all that, of course, most people would agree that it is easier to get good grades at private schools. They simply have more time and resources. Also, parents willing to shell out such huge amounts of money will almost without exception take a great interest in their child's progress. But that doesn't mean it's impossible. Far from it. Anyone vaguely academic and with a decent work ethic can get to university these days. And anything above and beyond that puts you in with a decent shot of getting into a 'good' uni or onto a 'proper' course. I, for one, have found that fellow students with similar A levels from private schools(and my uni has loads of them)struggle when they get to university. They are far less used to working off their own backs, and often over indulge when first away from their often strict and pressurised home and school lives. They are unlikely to get the top degrees, which will give me a small amount of satisfaction. However, I also know they'll mostly end up getting fantastic jobs through their parents or other contacts from their privileged worlds. As someone else said, we need to get rid of the myth of meritocracy.

lionheart · 19/08/2007 16:33

I have lost the thread.

pointydog · 19/08/2007 16:39

hello tamum . Travelodges were good, made the journey much better.

I may indeed branch out further next time and book a travel Inn.

pointydog · 19/08/2007 16:40

oddjobgirl, I cannot follow any of your threads. Why is that?

lionheart · 19/08/2007 16:46

Not just me then.

gess · 19/08/2007 16:50

I said that last night I don't understand the end of this thread at all!

you would be unusual tamum- for chemistry at least (perhaps less so maths- think that's more a case of getting it iykwim, although I never got it so could be wrong). I did see a few bright non-workers but they generally didn;t do very well (mind you in one case the person concerned didnt even bother to copy down the correct exam timteable which didn't help ; I remember his despairing mum- he was bright, but totally unmotivated)

Blandmum · 19/08/2007 17:24

Good teaching matters (well I would say that i suppose But in the end the kids have to be prepared to do the work for themselves as well.

I can teach, but only the kids can learn.

So my recent set of results for the AS level has two major groups, kids with A/B grades, who worked hard, asked the questions, did the homework and revised and D/E grades for those kids who sat on their arses and waited for me to learn it for them!

there are obvious exceptions to this, one girl who was only predicted an E, worked her socks off and got a very comendable D grade.....all credit to her.

But in the end I don't think that she would be up to studying Biology at university.....at least not now.

getting an A grade in biology requires a lot of work, dedication coupled with some ability to think and apply knowledge.

twentypence · 19/08/2007 20:14

I teach in a private school - I also teach in a slightly above average state school - I also teach girls from a terrible area who all dropped out of school pregnant.

I don't suddenly become a bad teacher when I work in the dodgy area.

pointydog · 19/08/2007 20:17

mb, where have you popped up from?

Difers · 19/08/2007 20:46

If the lad has only got an E he isn't going to cope with a degree at university!

I went to state school (1992) and got B's but still found university very hard indeed.

I might have got A's if I'd gone to private school with some of my friends but I might also have hated it and dropped out totally. Who knows???

The point is there are winners and losers and sometimes failure isn't a bad thing.

As someone who sees many degree level students in work placements I have noticed that students coming through nowdays sometimes have an inflated idea of their own abilities and that when they are graded a C or lower on those skills they find it very difficult to accept that they need to improve and start making all sorts of excuses instead of just accepting that and trying to improve.

So by making excuses for these students we are actually failing them, in my opinion.

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