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AIBU: To ask Cheeky fucking vendors to pay for half of survey.

103 replies

Ibiza2015 · 25/10/2019 22:40

Put an offer in on a property a few weeks ago. Ticked every box, loved it, immaculate inside. Vendor bought it in 2007 as a BTL. We noticed they’d had it on the market in 2011 and 2012 too and it had not sold. The explanation they gave for 2011 was that their daughter became pregnant so she moved in. The 2012 time there was vague mumblings about personal issues.

Anyway we sent in surveyor costing over £600. the report is basically the worst survey ever. The entire roof needs replacing immediately, pointing, potential woodworm, EPC rating of F, no insulation, rotting joists underfloor, evidence of movement in the house’s fabric (it could not be insured because of that) and the double whammy of being built on clay soil in an area with many underground ex mine shafts which exacerbate movement of the house.

It’s riddled with damp and total treatment and damp proofing and insulation is needed. Surveyor said lack of insulation meant central heating would need to run 24/7 to prevent damp. It needs complete rewiring, there are led pipes sourcing drink water to the house. The attic conversion doesn’t meet building regs an the roof isn’t being supported and is leaking. The bath upstairs has not had the floor underneath reinforced do the kitchen ceiling is bowing and the bath will eventually fall through. The ‘garden’ is actually a fenced off bit of a communal car park which belongs to a neighbour who could ask for it back any time. It’s also got poorly completely decking that means the garden floods. The heating and ventilation are issues, air bricks needed. The chimney is bowing and the Tudor style woodwork on the outside is rotten. It’s also ludicrously, ludicrously over priced. They’ve priced it as though it’s a completely pristine house with no issues. Even if all the necessary works were done I still don’t think the value of the house would exceed the money spent to repair it.

Obviously we’ve withdrawn the offer. But I can’t figure out why they’d have the house on the market and invite people to spend their money on surveys that they must have known it couldn’t possibly pass. So we’re £640 out of pocket.

And here’s the rub: the vendor contacted us to ask for a free copy of the survey we paid £640 for. My husband took the call, his first instinct was to say yes but he’d run it by me first I said no fucking way, we paid a lot of money. So he fobbed them off with an excuse about data protection.
Later the estate agent rang and said they wanted a copy of the survey ‘to warn and help other customers so they are aware of all the issues’. Clearly that’s a load of bullshit because no Estate Agent ever in the world tried to get a sale based on a dossier showing them how crap the house is. We think the vendors had asked her to try and get it out of us.

I think they set us up a bit. They must have known that house was never going to pass. They knew they were pissing our money up the wall. The only possible reason I could think that they did this is because they knew the house has lots of problems and wanted to find out which were the important ones surveyors would pick up on to fix. Only they didn’t want to pay for the building inspection so they waited until Muggins here came along and paid for it and then expected a freebie.

Now AIBU because I want to go back to the agent and say if they want a copy they can pay us £320 (half the cost) for it.

DH wants to just forget it or to give them a copy purely because our money has gone now and if we don’t give them the survey they’ll do the same to some other poor sap.

So AIBU or is he?

OP posts:
StrawberryGoo · 25/10/2019 22:44

I wouldn’t be particularly inclined to help them in the coecumstances. They wouldn’t necessarily give it to future buyers anyway.

StrawberryGoo · 25/10/2019 22:44

*circumstances

Tatty101 · 25/10/2019 22:45

Sorry, no personal experience but its definitely worth a try IMO!

stucknoue · 25/10/2019 22:47

It's worth trying to get half the money. To be honest not everything on that list is a dealbreaker - older homes are badly insulated etc and make up half of all homes

MyNewBearTotoro · 25/10/2019 22:48

No way would I be handing it over for free. As you’ve said if they want it they can either pay you for it or pay to have their own survey done.

CharlotteUnaNatalieThompson · 25/10/2019 22:48

I would tell them they can have it when they pay for the whole bloody lot! Fuck giving it to them for nothing!!!

OliviaBenson · 25/10/2019 22:48

It's quite common to sell on a survey so go for it - I'd ask for the full cost and negotiate down to half.

Angiemum24 · 25/10/2019 22:49

YANBU. Ask them the CF!

TildaKauskumholm · 25/10/2019 22:49

Cheeky twats. So is the agent for asking, never heard of this. Tell the agent that if he has anyone else interested they can save money by paying for your report, say £500.

Myunicornis · 25/10/2019 22:50

Cf's! Definitely try and get half the money or tell hthem to piss off. Sounds like the house needs demolished and rebuilt.

mumwon · 25/10/2019 22:50

blow half the money he wants it he should pay total cost! its to his advantage

madroid · 25/10/2019 22:50

Apart from that the house is perfect! Grin

Offer it to them for 400.

It'll cost them more to get it done themselves so they might go for it.

mommybear1 · 25/10/2019 22:50

I'd check your surveyors contract/t&c we had this and were not permitted to forward copies (paid for or otherwise) to anyone without the surveyors permission.

1Morewineplease · 25/10/2019 22:51

I would decline. The vendors clearly know that there’s a problem, it’s their responsibility to get their own surveys done and to shore up their crumbling property.

Didiusfalco · 25/10/2019 22:52

Absolutely ask for money. They’re trying to pull a fast one by not offering.

Poppinjay · 25/10/2019 22:55

I thought vendors had to pay for a basic survey anyway now?

Babybel90 · 25/10/2019 22:56

I’d ask for the full cost, you’ve already spent the money so you’ve got nothing to lose and I wouldn’t want to help them out by giving it them for half the cost as they didn’t help you out by warning you that there were some issues, and I think it’s extremely likely they knew.

Idontwanttotalk · 25/10/2019 22:59

I woud not give them a copy of it. There is no way the EA is ever going to show it to a prospective buyer. They can take your word for it so they can determine what a realistic valuation would be for the property, taking these defects into consideration.

If the vendors want a copy I woud provide it for £640, not a penny less. Like you say they must have known a survey would throw up all that stuff. What do you have to gain by giving it them? You could ask for £320 to recover some of the cost but, honestly, I'd sooner piss them off by having no money for it and not giving it them after what they've done. Bastards.

ActualHornist · 25/10/2019 23:01

No, they tried that a few years ago but scrapped it.

I'd offer it for the full price. See if they barter it down and accept £100 less or something. Cheeky buggers.

My sis had similar - perfect house or so she thought. Paid for a normal survey which was ok but suggested structural (think it was becaused it was listed? Can't remember) the structural survey said there was 100% moisture in some of the walls. Didn't even know that was possible!

scoobydoo1971 · 25/10/2019 23:08

When I had a survey done on an older property a few years ago, there was small print in the contract stating that the report was valid for myself only. It could not be sold on or distributed to third parties, without prior consent of the surveyor. This may have been unique to my surveyor, but you should perhaps check before you do a deal with the vendor - even if they are willing to pay. A lot of people don't have full surveys, and misunderstand the purpose of a mortgage-survey thinking that would highlight building issues. You may be out of pocket, but at least you are not lumbered with an expensive wreck to fix up at much cost.

CaraConcerned · 25/10/2019 23:16

Doesn't the estate agent have some obligation to report known issues? Especially the stuff with the garden which should've been completely upfront about.

ChicCauldron · 25/10/2019 23:18

I thought EA had to say if a previous sale had fallen through because of an issue in the survey - I don't think you should give them a copy though, if you want to make a point you could take it in and point to the relevant details on the page though. Don't leave it with them!

It is grating to spend money on a survey but just think how much you've saved by not buying the property. Was it priced low to begin with, OP?

chipsandgin · 25/10/2019 23:20

If the estate agents are aware of these issues and don’t make potential buyers aware they are at risk of a fraudulent sale.

*Since 2013 with the repeal of the Property Misdescriptions Act the sale and advertising of property has come under the 2008 Consumer Protection Against Unfair Trading Regulations (CPR’s).

In simple terms, the CPR’s require a seller to inform their estate agent – and any potential buyer - of material information that may affect an average consumer’s transactional decision, not only to buy a property but even “an omission that may affect a potential buyer’s decision to view a property”

I’m surprised they are still willing to have it on their books in that state! I’d perhaps bring up the information above, in writing - list the issues in the email and suggest they encourage the vendors to pay for the survey and be honest to potential buyers to avoid this. Also say it should be priced realistically. You are well out of it - but at least you can do a good thing whilst maybe getting back some of the money you wasted?

TrickyD · 25/10/2019 23:22

No way accept half. Full or nothing.

Cherrysoup · 25/10/2019 23:23

Demand the entire amount. Negotiate if you feel generous. They are horrible people trying to sell it. They clearly know about the issues given the failed attempts to sell in previous years and have done nothing to rectify issues since. Wankers.