Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU: To ask Cheeky fucking vendors to pay for half of survey.

103 replies

Ibiza2015 · 25/10/2019 22:40

Put an offer in on a property a few weeks ago. Ticked every box, loved it, immaculate inside. Vendor bought it in 2007 as a BTL. We noticed they’d had it on the market in 2011 and 2012 too and it had not sold. The explanation they gave for 2011 was that their daughter became pregnant so she moved in. The 2012 time there was vague mumblings about personal issues.

Anyway we sent in surveyor costing over £600. the report is basically the worst survey ever. The entire roof needs replacing immediately, pointing, potential woodworm, EPC rating of F, no insulation, rotting joists underfloor, evidence of movement in the house’s fabric (it could not be insured because of that) and the double whammy of being built on clay soil in an area with many underground ex mine shafts which exacerbate movement of the house.

It’s riddled with damp and total treatment and damp proofing and insulation is needed. Surveyor said lack of insulation meant central heating would need to run 24/7 to prevent damp. It needs complete rewiring, there are led pipes sourcing drink water to the house. The attic conversion doesn’t meet building regs an the roof isn’t being supported and is leaking. The bath upstairs has not had the floor underneath reinforced do the kitchen ceiling is bowing and the bath will eventually fall through. The ‘garden’ is actually a fenced off bit of a communal car park which belongs to a neighbour who could ask for it back any time. It’s also got poorly completely decking that means the garden floods. The heating and ventilation are issues, air bricks needed. The chimney is bowing and the Tudor style woodwork on the outside is rotten. It’s also ludicrously, ludicrously over priced. They’ve priced it as though it’s a completely pristine house with no issues. Even if all the necessary works were done I still don’t think the value of the house would exceed the money spent to repair it.

Obviously we’ve withdrawn the offer. But I can’t figure out why they’d have the house on the market and invite people to spend their money on surveys that they must have known it couldn’t possibly pass. So we’re £640 out of pocket.

And here’s the rub: the vendor contacted us to ask for a free copy of the survey we paid £640 for. My husband took the call, his first instinct was to say yes but he’d run it by me first I said no fucking way, we paid a lot of money. So he fobbed them off with an excuse about data protection.
Later the estate agent rang and said they wanted a copy of the survey ‘to warn and help other customers so they are aware of all the issues’. Clearly that’s a load of bullshit because no Estate Agent ever in the world tried to get a sale based on a dossier showing them how crap the house is. We think the vendors had asked her to try and get it out of us.

I think they set us up a bit. They must have known that house was never going to pass. They knew they were pissing our money up the wall. The only possible reason I could think that they did this is because they knew the house has lots of problems and wanted to find out which were the important ones surveyors would pick up on to fix. Only they didn’t want to pay for the building inspection so they waited until Muggins here came along and paid for it and then expected a freebie.

Now AIBU because I want to go back to the agent and say if they want a copy they can pay us £320 (half the cost) for it.

DH wants to just forget it or to give them a copy purely because our money has gone now and if we don’t give them the survey they’ll do the same to some other poor sap.

So AIBU or is he?

OP posts:
Ginfordinner · 26/10/2019 08:50

Looking at it from the vendor’s point of view – we are selling my late MIL’s house. We had absolutely no idea of the extent of the problems with the house until the purchaser’s survey highlighted them. Fortunately he was very reasonable and sold us the survey for half the price he paid for it.

He pulled out of the purchase, but was very civilised about it. He also sent us the quotes for getting the issues rectified. Without this information we wouldn’t have been able to carry out the repairs required. We have also paid for our own survey as we really need to know what is essential and what was just “nice to have”.
We are currently sorting out the issues raised that require repair so that the mortgage lender for our current buyer will lend the money.

FunOnTheBeach20 · 26/10/2019 08:52

@Ibiza2015
Surprised they’re willing to have it on the books? Don’t be soft, property purchases come in all forms. Some people want to renovate and buy buildings in disrepair.

FunOnTheBeach20 · 26/10/2019 08:54

This is the nature of buying a house and why you have a survey.

Chance your arm and ask for some of the costs of the survey, you have nothing to lose.

Warpdrive · 26/10/2019 09:01

i bought a house and had a survey. i told the EA the survey showed up some issues so I wanted to renegotiate the price.
EA: What issues?
Me: My survey so MY knowledge
EA: Can I see the survey?
Me: No, I paid for it. Its my information. You, or the vendor, are very welcome to have your own survey.
EA: Very strange but I will see if the vendor will reduce price.
1 day later.....reduced price.

So - no - absolutely no sharing until you've set your price!

Moondancer73 · 26/10/2019 09:02

I would say that if they want it they have to pay fu price. Sounds to me like they knew exactly what is wrong with the house so asking for the copy is very cheeky. If you negotiate down to nearer half the price that's fine but certainly don't give it to them for free.

nettie434 · 26/10/2019 09:13

Voted YANBU although if I’d thought the vendors had been acting in good faith (eg in ginfordinner’s situation where they hadn’t been responsible for the condition of the house), I would have sold the survey at a reduced price.

That was an informative post chipsandgin. I think the estate agent should have a word with the vendors. Ibiza2015 asked what had happened when the house was previously on the market and presumably others will too. Otherwise the agents will wait a long time before they get commission from a sale.

Bellringer · 26/10/2019 09:16

Reduce your offer so you can do the work?

wineisnecessary · 26/10/2019 09:32

My god , I think the house needs knocking down and starting again .
Yes definitely ask for at least half.
That house will never sell , I honestly think even if they get a copy they will not be able to put right everything it will cost too much . They will either have to knock the price down a lot and hope someone who wants a project buys it but no one in their right mind would actually buy it .
I understand why your mad , obviously people have pulled out of selling before so they must be aware of the problems. Tell the ea it's half or they pay for their own survey .

tentative3 · 26/10/2019 09:45

I think you're understandably pissed off and completely agree with not giving the survey away for free but I would learn from this and do some of your own research in future - yes, a lot of that you couldn't have known but if it's built on clay soil in an area with lots of mine shafts this will be well known in the local area.

Nishky · 26/10/2019 10:27

How did you notice the bow in the kitchen ceiling @Ibiza2015

Frazzled2207 · 26/10/2019 11:31

Worth a try. Def don't give it to anyone for free.

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 26/10/2019 11:38

No way! They can pay for it! I think asking them for only half is generous of you.

Robs20 · 26/10/2019 11:46

If they want a copy they should pay the full price. Do not feel pressured to help them out - whilst on the one hand this is exactly what surveys are for (to highlight substantial issues and stop you from overspending on purchase price), they clearly knew about the garden issue and shouldn’t have hidden it. I wouldn’t engage any further with these cheeky sods or their estate agents.

Malbecfan · 26/10/2019 11:47

I'd ask for more than the full price. You have had the hassle of organising the survey, why should a lazy vendor/EA piggyback on your efforts? Sod them. £750 or they can get their own.

Roussette · 26/10/2019 12:06

I don't understand.

How can a house be pristine with all those faults, at least half of which would've been visible to you on looking round?

I would be noticing rotten windows, kitchen ceiling bowing, there would be cracks in walls showing subsidence, dodgy decking and even a bit taken out of a carpark to make a garden. And I would be thinking if all these things are visible to us... imagine the stuff that isn't...
And I would go no further...

How can it be pristine to you??

BlaueLagune · 26/10/2019 12:20

There seem to be a lot of people on this thread who think that if a house isn't pristine you can't sell it. If that were the case you'd never be able to buy a do-upper!

The whole point of a survey is to find out what you may need to spend on sorting out a house. Either you take them into account (maybe getting a reduction on the price) or you walk away.

And I would sell the survey on (at full price, ideally) (not sure why surveyors say you can't, who they're doing the report for should be irrelevant, it's only if a certain amount of time has passed that I would not want someone else's survey).

CoolcoolcoolcoolcoolNoDoubt · 26/10/2019 12:22

Definitely try and make them pay for the survey but how did you not notice the bath was going to fall through the kitchen ceiling?! It’s also pretty obvious to notice an old roof that might need replacing.

Roussette · 26/10/2019 12:24

I appreciate now it's a doer upper maybe but it didn't sound like it from the original post.... saying it was 'pristine' and 'immaculate'. How could it be with rotten windows and a bowed ceiling?!

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 26/10/2019 12:27

I'd check your surveyors contract/t&c we had this and were not permitted to forward copies (paid for or otherwise) to anyone without the surveyors permission.

We've been sent the last buyers survey of the property we're looking at from the estate agent - they didn't ask us to pay for it. It does say that nobody is permitted to pass it on without permission but it doesn't seem to have stopped anyone!

I'd offer it to them for cost and negotiate, as others have said.

DobbyLovesSocks · 26/10/2019 12:39

We had this a few years ago. Buying a house and got full survey done as it was an older house. Report came back with LOTS of issues including a massive hole in the roof and rising damp. Vendors were pushing us to exchange contracts as they had already relocated and could not afford to keep paying mortgage and rent on another property. We pulled out based on the survey and EA pestered us for days/weeks trying to get us to change our minds. One minute friendly and next minute quite pissy. They even tried telling us that our vendors were suffering financial hardship and then asked us how much it would take for us to buy - they offered 50k off the price at one point but by then house was 'tainted' and I just wanted to walk away. They then asked for a copy of the report which I declined (our T's & C's already stated we couldn't share as it's only valid day it is done and remains property of surveyor). EA then tried offering us money for it 'as it's not worth anything to you now'. I still declined. Cost us over £900 for the survey but it was worth it in the end. Also decided never to use those EA's in the future when we come to sell current house we have
House eventually got sold but months later and I do wonder if the new buyers were made aware of the issues or not.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 26/10/2019 13:06

YANBU to ask for half the cost of the survey but surely you can still proceed with buying the house I don't understand why you'd pull out - just use the survey to negotiate a discount surely?

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 26/10/2019 13:21

Offer to swap the survey for the house itself 😁

Frazzled2207 · 26/10/2019 14:50

@NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1
Really?
You can't be an insurable house. Well can't get a mortgage on it anyhow. OP said that cost of repairs would be higher than value of house why would anyone buy it?

Frazzled2207 · 26/10/2019 14:50

Can't BUY

Ibiza2015 · 26/10/2019 15:06

YANBU to ask for half the cost of the survey but surely you can still proceed with buying the house I don't understand why you'd pull out - just use the survey to negotiate a discount surely?

Are you fucking serious? Did you not read the OP?

If we mended all the issues we couldn’t cover that with a discount. In fact to make the house break even for us with the repairs, they would have had to pay us to take it off their hands!

I live in very poor rented accommodation and with three small children. I don’t want them living in a building site and I’m not paying rent out for months because I own an uninhabitable house.

Nor do I like the idea of having an uninsured house which might slip down a mine shaft and disappeared any day, leaving me we with nothing!

Anyway they’ve put it back on the market today, no mention of issues. Same price. Chancers.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread