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AIBU: To ask Cheeky fucking vendors to pay for half of survey.

103 replies

Ibiza2015 · 25/10/2019 22:40

Put an offer in on a property a few weeks ago. Ticked every box, loved it, immaculate inside. Vendor bought it in 2007 as a BTL. We noticed they’d had it on the market in 2011 and 2012 too and it had not sold. The explanation they gave for 2011 was that their daughter became pregnant so she moved in. The 2012 time there was vague mumblings about personal issues.

Anyway we sent in surveyor costing over £600. the report is basically the worst survey ever. The entire roof needs replacing immediately, pointing, potential woodworm, EPC rating of F, no insulation, rotting joists underfloor, evidence of movement in the house’s fabric (it could not be insured because of that) and the double whammy of being built on clay soil in an area with many underground ex mine shafts which exacerbate movement of the house.

It’s riddled with damp and total treatment and damp proofing and insulation is needed. Surveyor said lack of insulation meant central heating would need to run 24/7 to prevent damp. It needs complete rewiring, there are led pipes sourcing drink water to the house. The attic conversion doesn’t meet building regs an the roof isn’t being supported and is leaking. The bath upstairs has not had the floor underneath reinforced do the kitchen ceiling is bowing and the bath will eventually fall through. The ‘garden’ is actually a fenced off bit of a communal car park which belongs to a neighbour who could ask for it back any time. It’s also got poorly completely decking that means the garden floods. The heating and ventilation are issues, air bricks needed. The chimney is bowing and the Tudor style woodwork on the outside is rotten. It’s also ludicrously, ludicrously over priced. They’ve priced it as though it’s a completely pristine house with no issues. Even if all the necessary works were done I still don’t think the value of the house would exceed the money spent to repair it.

Obviously we’ve withdrawn the offer. But I can’t figure out why they’d have the house on the market and invite people to spend their money on surveys that they must have known it couldn’t possibly pass. So we’re £640 out of pocket.

And here’s the rub: the vendor contacted us to ask for a free copy of the survey we paid £640 for. My husband took the call, his first instinct was to say yes but he’d run it by me first I said no fucking way, we paid a lot of money. So he fobbed them off with an excuse about data protection.
Later the estate agent rang and said they wanted a copy of the survey ‘to warn and help other customers so they are aware of all the issues’. Clearly that’s a load of bullshit because no Estate Agent ever in the world tried to get a sale based on a dossier showing them how crap the house is. We think the vendors had asked her to try and get it out of us.

I think they set us up a bit. They must have known that house was never going to pass. They knew they were pissing our money up the wall. The only possible reason I could think that they did this is because they knew the house has lots of problems and wanted to find out which were the important ones surveyors would pick up on to fix. Only they didn’t want to pay for the building inspection so they waited until Muggins here came along and paid for it and then expected a freebie.

Now AIBU because I want to go back to the agent and say if they want a copy they can pay us £320 (half the cost) for it.

DH wants to just forget it or to give them a copy purely because our money has gone now and if we don’t give them the survey they’ll do the same to some other poor sap.

So AIBU or is he?

OP posts:
FriedasCarLoad · 25/10/2019 23:23

I'd ask for the full cost and negotiate down to half

This is sensible. And it makes sense to try to recoup some of your money.

DarklyDreamingDexter · 25/10/2019 23:26

Definitely don't give them or the EA a free copy. However, consider it money well spent, as it saved you getting sucked into an endless money pit.

gamerchick · 25/10/2019 23:28

They'll not need too if they're on here.Grin

Sod that, I'd want the lot. Cheeky gits.

maddening · 25/10/2019 23:32

Sounds like a knock down and build from scratch job!

AJPTaylor · 25/10/2019 23:33

Rubbish.
They are putting it on the market and keeping their fingers crossed someone doesn't have a survey.

Cynara · 25/10/2019 23:38

Never mind half the cost! If they want the survey, charge them the balance for it! Why on earth would you go halves on it, you've paid (and lost) that money anyway. If they want a copy, the price of it is £600.

SlummyMummy77 · 25/10/2019 23:39

I heard just this evening that apparently if a sale falls through because of this reason (survey) it has to be reported so the next person doesn't spend big bucks on the same issue

FortunaMajor · 25/10/2019 23:40

Have you instructed a solicitor yet? My conveyancing fee included insurance for the survey that if it came back the house was a dud, I could claim the full cost of the survey back. Might be worth looking into for the next time.

Sorry you were caught out by these arseholes. Do not let them have it for free.

W0rriedMum · 25/10/2019 23:41

It will soon go on the market with another agent. That new estate agent is therefore under no obligation to provide any information at all.

This happened to me and it did eventually sell through another agent. It only took one person to come along and NOT do a full survey..

AthollPlace · 25/10/2019 23:43

They won’t buy it from you for full price. If they wanted to pay that amount they’d just go and get their own survey. The only motivation for buying it from you is to save money. I’d offer it for £400 and negotiate.

MumW · 25/10/2019 23:44

I'd ask for the full cost and negotiate down to half

I was going to say the same.

katkit · 25/10/2019 23:48

I’d ask for all ,of the money. Read on a guardian forum that the estate agents have a duty to tell buyers of any problems which would prevent a sale. I wonder if they knew about the problems:

www.theguardian.com/money/2018/sep/10/i-think-an-estate-agent-has-misled-me-can-i-recover-my-costs

WhereYouLeftIt · 25/10/2019 23:55

Definitely DO NOT give them it for free!!

And I'd be asking a damn sight more than half.

GabsAlot · 26/10/2019 00:03

They wont even use it to help the next buyer OP-they want it to prob botch some of the problems so they can pass

and some people unfortunately think surveys are a waste of time

Dont give it to them

Notwiththeseknees · 26/10/2019 00:20

I would do as chipsandgin said earlier and send them an email (copied to the vendor if you have the address) confirming that you were withdrawing from the purchase as the survey was appalling. There isnt really any way of finding out if there were previous sales that have fallen through due to the condition of the house. The estate agents will now be bound to tell others though, the reason why the property is back on the market (should they ask)....
If the vendor wants a copy of the survey, then he can pay for it - preferably in full. He has cost you time and money.

Perunatop · 26/10/2019 00:27

I would not share it with them at all. Essentially they have tried to sell you a property that they almost certainly knew had problems. It's likely the agent knew as well. It's unlikely an experienced agent would have missed some of the things you have listed. No one who commissions a report for themselves can be expected to share it with another party, it was prepared for you.

cabbageking · 26/10/2019 00:37

You use the survey to re negotiate a better price.

But the estate agent won't know if the withdraw is genuinely due to repair conditions or just the buyer changing their mind.

The seller should have declared there were outstanding building regs which would be on the Council planning page.

I would declare this outstanding building regs as the estate agent can search this themselves at no cost. They don't need to see the survey but equally they can't use the information to safeguard anyone else if you don't share the information.

You have paid the money regardless.

VenusTiger · 26/10/2019 00:57

The estate agents just want to alter the wording in the particulars to reflect the current state of the property and also reduce the asking price massively I’d say.

You are not obliged to give anyone the survey. It’s the owners problem not yours.

Just one of those things OP. We had a survey done on a house with similar issues (roof) and we decided to pull our offer too. We walked away. House hunting and buying is an expensive business as you know.

BlockedandDeleted · 26/10/2019 02:10

Many years ago now, but my solicitor sold on a survey I had had done on a property I didn't proceed on.

Definitely do not give it to them, offer to sell for full price and see what they say.

Cantrememberpassword · 26/10/2019 03:01

Can’t understand why you did not notice some of these problems yourself. After all the property ticked all the right boxes?

ExchangedCat · 26/10/2019 03:21

I would be asking for the full amount, but then, I'm not feeling very charitable towards house sellers at the moment.

Nextphonewontbesamsung · 26/10/2019 04:09

Why is your husband being such a drip?? Of course you don't give this survey to anyone for free. Certainly not the EA or vendor. It's nice that you don't want any other hapless buyers to go through the same time and money wasting exercise but I can't see a way round that from your point of view. If the EA has any sense they will get rid of this property off their books too as it sounds unsellable.

TulipCat · 26/10/2019 04:19

You had a survey done on a house and as a result have decided to withdraw your offer. End of. You should end all contact with the vendor and move on. Don't get into any kind of negotiations over the survey, that is for your information only. Unfortunately that's the risk when buying a house that you may spend on a survey for a property you end up not buying. It seems to me that this particular one is way overpriced for the condition it is in, but that doesn't mean they can't put it on the market sadly. It sucks but that's the current reality of the process in the UK.

SheilaBruce · 26/10/2019 05:05

I'd definitely get some money for it. We did that once... we pulled out for one specific reason... we managed to get half the cost of the survey. Solicitor took care of it.

yearinyearout · 26/10/2019 05:18

YANBU, I would be furious and definitely tell them they can pay half if they want a copy. The estate agent has no right to a copy either so tell them to do one.