Should this event that happened at school be punished?

[Mortifiedmummy12]

Ds borrows friend his phone and friend runs off as to make ds miss the bus as he can’t leave without his phone. Ds pleads to have it back but friend carries on taunting him and putting it in his bag ect. Ds snaps and kicks him in the leg so friend drops it ( friend usually kicks ds for no reason). Friend then kicks him back and throws phone on floor and walks off too his detention. Who is in the wrong and should this be punished?. Both are sorted now however , a teacher witnessed some of it.

Obviously they were both wrong but sometimes children should be left to sort things out between themselves. The complete ban on rough play in earlier years escalates to this kind of nonsense when they get older. If adults intervene at this age it’s just going to get worse as they get older. Dispute resolution is an important skill and (to a certain extent) needs to be learned through practice. I wouldn’t get involved if no one was hurt.

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Your son borrows friends phone and friend runs off. After kicking incident, friend now has his phone back as he ( friend) drops phone. Then friend throws his own phone.

Just 're read because none of it made sense. Now I understand. You accidentally said your so n "borrowed" when you meant " loaned".

Anyway, kicking isn't good, neither is trying to destroy property belonging to others

If he's kicking his friends how is he acting with people he doesn't like. I wouldn't be happy if I had a son behaving like that. Which year is he in?

You should be punished for saying borrow instead of lend

To be quite honest , they both mean the same thing really.

They don’t mean the same thing at all, and I also struggled to understand your post.

To be quite honest , they both mean the same thing really.

No they don’t🙄

Yes my son lent it to the other boy as other boy has no phone (broken)

I think I have an idea how that might have happened....

Your DS sounds like a total nightmare.

Poor teachers.

To be quite honest , they both mean the same thing really

You don't really think that borrow and lend mean the same do you? Apologies if English isn't your first language but if it is that's a pretty basic misunderstanding

Bloody hell the ops post made perfect sense. Silly bloody nit picking grammar pedants

Your DS sounds like a total nightmare.

Poor teachers.

sound like we have the parent of the annoying "friend" on here grin]
I'd say that the teasing friend, being lent a phone as a favour not knowing how to say thank you but making the owner miss his bus is the nightmare.

Other child shouldn't have kicked, he got told off - but the one who started that ridiculous fight is a lot more to blame.

Okay I’ll rewrite it then. Ds lends his friend his phone as friend needs to text his dad about detention and his is broken (not by fighting if that’s what you’re implying). All day, friend has been asking ds to wait for him after his detention but ds has a bus to get so obviously says no. When ds lends friend the phone, friend runs off with it so ds misses the bus and has to wait for friend. Ds pleads for phone back whilst friend is hiding phone ect. Ds kicks friend so friend drops phone but it doesn’t work and he gets kicked back and friend then throws phone.

27th detention of the term then? Punishing both is fair and as your DS has clearly established a reputation this year, the teacher witnessing is not going to give the benefit of the doubt.

Lending vs borrowing does make a big difference to understanding the context. He has lent his phone to the "friend" (friend sounds worth avoiding). On first reading, it sounds like he borrowed the phone from the friend then the friend ran away so your DS couldn't return it and your DS was in posession of someone else's phone, not the friend having your DS's.

To be quite honest , they both mean the same thing really

You don't really think that borrow and lend mean the same do you? Apologies if English isn't your first language but if it is that's a pretty basic misunderstanding

to be honest, it was pretty clear what the OP meant, even when completely using the wrong word!

Punishment hasn’t been decided yet whether it will be seclusion or detention ect . Friend has a history of kicking ds though as witness before and commented but never been properly seen as something happened.

to be honest, it was pretty clear what the OP meant, even when completely using the wrong word!

It might have been clear to you but I read it the same as @ShinyGiratina, if people want useful views it's not unreasonable to expect them to use the correct words to explain what happened

Are you bothered that he may be excluded?

Who might be excluded?

The difference between lend and borrow is the same as between sell and buy. Or give and take.

Of course it matters. They are opposites.

(By the way OP, this isn't aimed at you).

Your son.

It was 6 of 1 of half a dozen of the other.

However the friend started it.

What DS needs to learn is
A) not to react in violence
B) that despite what seems a difficult start to the year there is someone he can confide in if this happens and
C) the other lad clearly isn't a good friend or a good influence in his life.

If my ds had done what yours did I'd have said that kicking was the best response but I could understand why he did it and that if the school decide to punish he has to accept they have differing views on situation.
I'd also then tell him he needs to seriously think about the people he ha ha around with

Well English IS my second language and after reading half of the first sentence, I figured out something was wrong,re read it and the meaning was obvious.

Want to be a pedant? That's completely fine but the "oh, I couldn't possibly understand what you wrote" posts are bs.

I must have low standards for secondary school as it sounds like something or nothing to me. Just a little scuffle.