Protestors climb on train

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What on earth to ER hope to achieve this morning?! Such arseholes

@LakieLady this was a one-off

Are you kidding me? I take it you don't come to London very often. Every London based protest they have held so far has buggered the public transport network. In April, they glued themselves to the DLR (which is electric). By blockading main roads and bridges every time, they kill the bus network, so people hop into taxis instead.

They are utter morons and for one I'm thrilled to see that everyday people have lost patience. You climb on top of a train, you run the risk of being pushed off it. Why the hell do they have the right to disrupt millions of lives and then complain when they lose sympathy?

We are doing so many things that we shouldn’t be doing that it is impossible to know where to start.

As an example in the UK we should not be building houses but tower blocks and saving as much land as possible for food. This single issue was discussed in depth over ten years ago in a scientific journal.

Who is going to vote for that.

We are not going to solve this problem rather the problem is going to solve us. We are the problem.

Interview with a spokesperson for XR.

Interviewer: Do you agree with the protest in Canning Town?
Spokesman: Er… er… er… I'm on the fence about this.
Interviewer: How can you possibly be on the fence about this?

Totally clueless.

I have been very active in climate protests in the past. Some of them have been the classic what do we want when do we want it? type marches. But a lot of them were very showy informative demonstrations. They were never disruptive because we knew that not only was that counterproductive, it was also unfair.

@TomHagenMakesMyBosomTremble
“Town; deliberately antagonizing people who are more likely to be on a lower or casual wage and therefore can't afford the day off or to be late? Cruising for a bruising.”
I don’t think being on a low wage is an excuse for physical violence. I don’t think that would wash for an excuse in any other context.

There are always anarchists on the fringes of large movements who do idiotic things. And yes, this was idiotic. It doesn't mean the movement itself is wrong.

Well done to the courageous people, including at least two women though who stepped in to stop the beatings.

I don’t think being on a low wage is an excuse for physical violence

Imagine your wages hardly cover your rent & food for your kids & any cut in wages, even a couple of hours, means you can’t afford the electric next week.
Then imagine how you’d feel seeing someone who can afford to take time off work to glue themself to a train - stopping you getting to work & earning the money you need to live.
I’m not surprised it turned out the way it did.

@nancy75 - This is the problem, they can not imagine it, they have most unlikely ever been in that position.

The irony is that these clowns 'are' the people in power, holding the working class to ransom with their demands.

If you do not do as we say, we will actively prevent you from being able to earn a living and pay your bills.

Yy @Nancy75. I'm not saying I agree with it @Cam77 but I can see how & why someone might be angry enough to do it if XR had cost them a days wages.

fromdownwest
Exactly right, as I said earlier the people of Shadwell & Canning Town are not causing masses of emissions by taking multiple flights, half the residents of Canning Town don’t even own a car, these people are too skint to be responsible for mass consumption of goods so just leave them alone to get to work in the morning.

Well done to the courageous people, including at least two women though who stepped in to stop the beatings.

Yes, the video showed two brave women in the thick of it, trying to stop him being beaten further. What a horrible situation.

I don’t think being on a low wage is an excuse for physical violence. I don’t think that would wash for an excuse in any other context
If you don’t want physical violence, then maybe don’t kick people in the face?
Fucking self righteous prick

The protester that is, not the poster who made the comment

I'm all for raising awareness in this area, but I'm a bit baffled why they would want to discourage people from using public transport.

Not a very smart move in my opinion.

They are not listening to the science.

They are listening to science the problem is that carbon zero by 2025 is ill thought out black and white thinking.

XR is full of Anarchist Larpers nothing more.

Ironically, It just sums up nicely the whole movement

'Person in a privileged position boots the boot in the face of a working class man'

I was delayed for 2 hours this morning. As well as the guy on the tube at Canning Town, there was another at Shadwell who had super glued himself to a DLR train. I use both these lines daily. (I work in East London rather than commute into the city).

I am a supporter of the right to protest.

It took me a while to wonder why they targeted these stations (in diverse and working-class areas) - especially those using the environmentally friendly public transport system rather than somewhere like West London which is rife with 4x4/super cars.

The only conclusion I have come to is that if they disrupt people getting to work, then they impact the organisations (and therefore profit) they work for. So if that is the reason I understand the action - even though it is definitely misguided.

did he kick unprovoked? I couldn't make it out. Normally it's instinctive that if someone pulls you from a height you try & get free so you can not fall/control your landing. But he shouldn't have been up there

I've watched every video I can find (they all look pretty similar) several times and I can't actually see anyone attacking the protester on the ground. I can't really see him at all once he's down, apart from the odd glimpse.

I can see the protester aiming a couple of kicks at the head of the guy who got him down and I can see a lot of people pushing the crowd back from the man on the ground, with some arms flailing.

That tends to be what happens when someone is on the ground in a crowd, because the people at the back tend to press forward, not being able to see that there is someone on the ground. People just reaching the platform would see the train with its doors open and assume there was movement into it.

Of course, just because I can't see it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. But it's not at all clear that there is a mob beating him up; it looks to me as if most people are trying to protect him from being trampled.

I am a member of XR and in my local group I can categorically state over 95% of us were against this action and I think it was a similar amount nationwide. It has completely undermined the good work done by some so far. Hitting public transport like this was never ever going to work. A real shame.

We need to hit governments and big business.

You don't actually need to hit anyone.

You're a total hypocrite, using a phone/computer which uses massive amounts of data which is stored in great data houses which use huge amounts of energy.

The people protesting on the train) and disrupting environmentally friendly public transport) were idiotic. The idea behind extinction rebellion - to tell the truth and act - is not.

At the start of the summer Parliament declared a climate emergency. A few weeks later the government announce the intention to up the VAT on solar panels. One of many examples where change is needed.

That said, ER need to re-examine thier methods.

@Trafalger - I am afraid, that it appears the over riding sentiment was this was a long time coming and that XR are seen as nothing more than a nuisance and almost a farce.

You really need to adjust how you engage with the public to obtain support to your cause, as all you have done, is raise awareness of what an elitiest out of touch group or people that XR are.

A real wasted opportunity to have some credible impact.

Every Saturday and Sunday morning I walk my local beach with other dog walkers, we clear a huge amount of plastic and waste which we take to our local recycling center. This is a well known and well attended beach clean, and not one of the events has been attended by a classic 'activist', just the normal folk that your protests have been affecting on a day to day basis.

We need to hit governments and big business.

What you need is to:
(1) Get a bath
(2) Get a job
(3) Get a life

No one had touched him. A man went up the side of the train, obviously with the intention to try grab him to pull him down, but he never actually touched him, and was booted in the face.