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Protestors climb on train

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omikron · 17/10/2019 07:52

What on earth to ER hope to achieve this morning?! Such arseholes

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Whitney168 · 17/10/2019 10:08

Fully on board with the commuters' frustration at the disruption and the idiocy of the apparent 'own goal' of blocking public transport whilst protesting on the environment - but absolutely disgusted at the mob behaviour of dragging the bloke off the train and then putting the boot in while he was lying on the ground. Angry

Thank heaven there were a few people nearby who didn't behave like animals, or that could so easily have gone very wrong indeed.

Hollycatberry · 17/10/2019 10:12

My friend coordinates multiple local grassroots environmental groups. They do tree-planting, waterway cleaning and erosion control, amongst other things. She says there is not a single crossover with any member of ER in her groups

Why aren't XR leading the way with initiatives such as the above? They have the time and energy to plan disruptive events and stunts but they could choose to do something worthwhile instead which would actually make a differece and hopefully inspire other people to join in and contribute.

Or are the headline grabbing stunts more important to XR? No wonder the public are getting fed up as there is no clarity on what this group wants to achieve other than disruption. Targetting the tube was a massive mistake. I don't condone the ugly scenes but am not surprised it has happened.

nancy75 · 17/10/2019 10:12

Whitney I agree no need to give him a beating, but I’m not appalled at him being dragged off the train

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/10/2019 10:15

I think XR are really about disruption and creating chaos, to highlight the climate crisis. That's the approach they are taking.

There are lots of tree planting groups, wildlife groups and conservation organisations and we've all been quietly and sedately talking about climate change and the need to change society to prevent future disasters, but no-one has listened.
I do believe headline-grabbing approaches are needed, I don't think we would have Net Zero targets for large organisations, or councils declaring climate emergencies for example, without this very visible and disruptive outcry, but IMO this has crossed the line.

ambereeree · 17/10/2019 10:15

@escapade1234 yes me too! That's a group of people not to mess with. A lot of people at that station will be casual labourers who get turned away if late. I can't blame them for getting angry.
But well done to the black lady in the video shouting at people to leave the protestor alone.

ppeatfruit · 17/10/2019 10:17

Well the govt have said today there's going to be an all party committee on the environment !!!Chaired by the P.M. !!!!!!! Own goal there !!!!!!!
The problem is all of us , we're happy doing what we've always done and we ALL need to think about how our actions affect the planet.

TheNestedIf · 17/10/2019 10:19

To be honest, I don't think a lot of XR protesters give a fig as to the cause. They just want the social media benefits. Otherwise, they'd be brighter than to target people doing the greenest thing they can manage, which is using public transport.

The only reason I'm glad people were stopped putting in the boot more is because that would have made a better Facebook post. The narcissistic twats.

ReanimatedSGB · 17/10/2019 10:21

And the silly bastards claiming that they have 'achieved the aim of getting politicians to declare a climate emergency'....
What the fuck does that actually do to solve the problem? Is it just a matter of everybody has to say the magic words?

darkcloudsandrainstorms · 17/10/2019 10:26

How do you effect change in a very short timescale.

The products we buy have deliberately built in obsolescence that could very easily be curtailed and remedied but it is not in the interests of profits. It is the very large companies that determine how our society us run. You vote and they tell us what to do.

ER is attempting to radically change the system.

They cannot get their argument across because our views are fed by the very large organisations that they are attempting to change.

That is why they are using extreme measures.

RubbingHimSourly · 17/10/2019 10:28

Thick twats.

Public transport is exactly what we need more of, it's much greener than each of those commuters travelling by car each day.

Kazzyhoward · 17/10/2019 10:28

And the silly bastards claiming that they have 'achieved the aim of getting politicians to declare a climate emergency'..

Exactly, just pointless words. Our local council proudly announced they'd agreed to declare a climate emergency. Their spokesman was completely ridiculed in a local radio interview. The interviewer asked what exactly the council were going to do about it. The spokesman just gave a load of waffle about encouraging people to cut down, "working with local employers" etc which the interviewer got him to admit was basically just a help page on their website as to how local businesses could help with climate change. The interviewer also got him to admit the council didn't actually have any plans to make their vehicles "greener" and that they had no plans for introducing electric vans/cars into their own fleet whilst at the same time, telling other businesses to go electric. It was a real "car crash" interview.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/10/2019 10:32

I agree the Climate Emergency declarations are not much more than words at the moment, but it does actually give us more leverage and clout to challenge actions & decisions - for example on planning decisions, it does help to be able to point to a council's climate emergency declaration when asking about sustainable travel.
It DOES help in my work to be able to point to these highly visible policy declarations and hold peoples' feet to the fire when wanting to see progress.
It's an admission that something needs to be done when previously, no-one even admitted that, let alone at strategic organisational policy level.
It's progress, no matter how small.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/10/2019 10:34

And as you say Kazzy it does help us point out hypocrisy and green-washing when it occurs.

I hope eventually these climate emergency and net zero declarations will eventually translate into real actions. It won't happen overnight, but we now at least have a commitment to point to when asking to see action plans.

Environment and conservation is a highly depressing and frustrating sector to work in sometimes.

InkyFingersInkyFace · 17/10/2019 10:34

I feel sick looking at the photos on the BBC website. My partner drives on the tube. It's not his line, thank god, but they have no idea what mental anguish they may cause the staff, particularly the drivers. They obviously don't care about encouraging people to use public transport instead of cars. Or people being able to work. Not every London worker is a rich banker, they seem to have forgotten that. I know people who have protested with XR but I've not engaged with it because it's too unorganised and today just demonstrates something I'd have no wish to be associated with. What do they want, a return to horse and carriages? It's not going to happen.

Kazzyhoward · 17/10/2019 10:34

That is why they are using extreme measures.

You seriously think the managing directors/owners of global companies are even aware of some pillock climbing on an underground train and even if they did happen to become aware of it, do you really think they'll do anything? Of course they won't. Which planet do you live on?

What is needed is for people themselves to reduce what they buy, recycle more, and re-use more. Even more important, is "localism" to support local firms rather than huge global ones.

But, it's easier to blame someone else isn't it?

A bit like when a local pub or shop closes down. All the virtue signallers and hand-wringers go on about how wrong it is, but if they actually bothered to support local businesses, they wouldn't close down. The last small fishmonger has closed in our city centre. Facebook is full of them all saying what a shame it was, but admitting they never actually bought anything there. They can't be arsed to support it, but don't want it to close and think everyone else should support it, not them. I detest hypocrites.

ScreamingLadySutch · 17/10/2019 10:36

Hmmm.

If these demonstrations are seen as intolerant (and irrational) imposing strong opinions, on others? I remembered something.

During the fox hunting demonstrations, you never saw anti hunting activists disrupting hunts in Wales. All over the rest of UK but in Wales and other 'poor' areas, never, ever.

Why was this?
I strongly suspect it was because of class war and - they would have got a good, Welsh, working class kicking.

Today that working class kicking got handed out in Canning Town!

NoCauseRebel · 17/10/2019 10:40

I think XR are really about disruption and creating chaos, to highlight the climate crisis. That's the approach they are taking. They’re not highlighting the climate crisis though are they? They’re making it all about them now. So instead of seeing protesters and thinking “something does have to change re climate change,” people see these protesters and think “oh FGS not them again. Tossers.” Their “protests” are having precisely the opposite impact to that which they claim to be wanting to make.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/10/2019 10:40

Kazzy I do think the directors of global companies are aware of highly visible disruptive protest, yes.
I'm also sure they are aware of climate science, and will keep an eye on public mood and conversation when it comes to thinking about how to respond.
The idea of reducing waste and buying locally is great, yes, but it's not going to scratch the surface when it comes to averting the worst effects of climate change. We really do need drastic and significant action at global level to avoid the worst impacts, so whilst individual efforts are helpful, and win the hearts & minds shudder of the general public, we really do need global corps to change the way they operate, and quickly.

My view? It's not going to happen. They (and we) are insulated from the worst effects of climate change for a few decades, so it's going to be motivated by something else, like a worsening of the migrant crisis due to resource conflicts and flooding, for example.

ScreamingLadySutch · 17/10/2019 10:42

From a former Trotskyite activist:

"This is one of the nastiest and stupidest outbreaks of intolerant, irrational zealotry since mankind emerged from the Dark Ages. I speak as a former intolerant zealot, who grew out of it.

I know the fierce joy which comes from despising others, only too well. And I fear it.

Will sane people have to glue themselves to aircraft and bridges to get anyone to listen? And if they do, will they be indulged by our politicised, biased police, as the Warmists are?

Perhaps the most dispiriting version of it is to be seen in the painted, beatific faces of the red-robed mime-artists who are to be found on so many of the demonstrations demanding that this country commits economic suicide.

Who can tell what is going on behind those self-satisfied, ethereal expressions? But they give these marches a strong whiff of the Age of Inquisitions, which I once thought we had escaped.

I won’t try to argue here on the rightness or wrongness of the Warmists’ theory about the causes of climate change.

I know from long, multiple experience that they respond to reasonable doubt with fury and defamatory cries of ‘denier’.

Thanks to the political and media class’s dim acceptance of shouted propaganda, and their rejection of reason, we are already damaging ourselves. There are some causes you can’t reason with, and this is one of them.

They prefer fury to logic. This is always the sign of someone who is not sure of his own case, and hates to hear his inner doubts spoken.

We recently closed and demolished Didcot ‘A’ coal-fired power station, an efficient, reasonably modern plant with a generating capacity of about 1.44 gigawatts.

259 gigawatts (180 Didcots) of new coal-fired capacity are under development in China. That’s on top of the 993 gigawatts of coal-burning capacity China already possesses (690 Didcots).

The UK’s whole electrical generation capacity, in all forms of power, is 85 gigawatts (59 Didcots). If we gave up using electricity entirely, it would make no difference at all to the impact of Chinese coal burning on the atmosphere.

If we completely abolish all our fossil-fuel generation, including gas, it would likewise not matter in the slightest – except to us, our economy and our standard of living.

China’s planned increase in coal power is three times the size of our whole electricity-generation industry – wind, nuclear gas, and all. India is also increasing coal generation and last March reached a coal capacity of 200 gigawatts (139 Didcots).

Wind generation only functions thanks to huge hidden subsidies, paid for by the poor, and is vulnerable to power cuts unless it is backed up by fossil fuel or nuclear generation." - Peter Hitchins

BrightYellowDaffodil · 17/10/2019 10:45

I don’t disagree with many of XR’s aims, and I’m all for a bit of direct action. Hell
, sign me up for some anarchy if it gets things done.

But this was an absolute misstep. Targeting environmentally friendly public transport and disrupting people’s lives yet AGAIN? No.

Apparently some protestors glued themselves to trains at Shadwell. Just drive the damned trains as usual then - by the time they get to Beckton the problem will be resolved.

MockersthefeMANist · 17/10/2019 10:49

Eco-Fascist tossers obstruct zero-emissions public transport so more people will drive instead. They block roads, causing traffic jams and more pollution. They repeatedly fail to leave a corridor for blue lights on Lambeth Bridge, with St Thomas Hospital clearly visible on the other side. And some of them don't camp out but commute to the protest.

WhatAGreatDay · 17/10/2019 10:51

www.tatler.com/article/extinction-rebellion-feature

TottieandMarchpane · 17/10/2019 10:53

Apparently some protestors glued themselves to trains at Shadwell. Just drive the damned trains as usual then - by the time they get to Beckton the problem will be resolved.

Grin I shouldn’t laugh. But I am.

ReanimatedSGB · 17/10/2019 10:54

'Former Trotskyite activist' - would that be that wanker Brendan O'Neill, by any chance? He may have something of a point, for once, in that a lot of these XR leaders are wankers just like him - and, just like him, will make a rapid transition to blaming feminists, women and BAME people for everything that's wrong in the world the minute someone dares to suggest that maybe we've heard enough from white men on a particular subject.

DarlingNikita · 17/10/2019 10:54

Unfortunately I think this was an example of the old saw: a few bad eggs spoiling it for the rest.

I strongly disagree with those on here saying all ER protestors don't have jobs, are just anarchists, or are spoiled private school kids Hmm who don't have to worry about money Hmm

(and BTW, the many people I know who are involved are definitely NOT being paid and do have their own paid jobs. I don't know any who went to private school either, sorry to spoil the narrative).

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