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To think American diplomatic immunity...

240 replies

MT2017 · 07/10/2019 16:02

...should not apply here.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-49961679

What's worse is that she was advised to leave by the American Embassy!

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JoObrien7 · 10/10/2019 03:19

Donald has just made a comment about driving on the wrong side of the road - I have driven on the wrong side of the road in Spain and it isn't that difficult.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7556133/Donald-Trump-REFUSES-hand-American-diplomats-wife-killed-teenager-British-authorities.html

JoObrien7 · 10/10/2019 03:22

I should say opposite side of the road - it helps if you are driving a left hand drivers car because that makes to you realise which side you should be on.

This women should be sent back to face a court imho.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 10/10/2019 05:50

Oh yes, I've forgotten how many motorcyclists I hit driving on the wrong side of the road when I was the wife of a government employee abroad...
Nope, it was zero. Because you took extra care. You then took extra extra care when back in the UK to drive on the left. Thousands of people do it daily. If you don't think you can do it,vdont drive abroad. A 'mistake' is pulling onto the wrong side for a few seconds, not living someone and fleeing the country

SerendipityJane · 10/10/2019 06:49

Oh yes, I've forgotten how many motorcyclists I hit driving on the wrong side of the road when I was the wife of a government employee abroad...

The thing is, Trump would forget.

Dongdingdong · 10/10/2019 06:51

How was she able to leave the UK in the first place?

SerendipityJane · 10/10/2019 06:59

How was she able to leave the UK in the first place?

I read she was flown out on a USAF flight - thus bypassing UK security checks.

I guess this is the price of having the US on your side.

MT2017 · 10/10/2019 09:00

Well, she's definitely not coming back...

To think American diplomatic immunity...
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MockersthefeMANist · 10/10/2019 09:27

Not much chance of a Hugh Grant Moment from this US-born Tosspot PM. This is how it must have been in the Raj when Captain Merrick ran over a native on his way to give Hari Kumar a good beating.

seaweedandmarchingbands · 10/10/2019 09:29

I’m feeling nauseous that I agree with Trump. 🤢

Not that ‘it happens’, but that it would not be appropriate for his government to send her back to the UK to be arrested. 1) They sent her here with diplomatic immunity 2) They removed her with their protection. Throwing her under the bus for political reasons wouldn’t be an act of justice but if cowardice. They already made their calls; now they have to stand by her.

Pedallleur · 10/10/2019 09:51

We will huff and puff but there is no chance of her being prosecuted. DI is just that - and it isn't going to be rescinded because once it is breached then it can open the Diplomatic community to threats. If you had been the driver would you come back?

GeorgianaDovesHouse · 10/10/2019 13:22

If you had been the driver would you come back?

I wouldn’t have left in the first place. There will be no hiding place in her conscience.

SerendipityJane · 10/10/2019 14:38

If you had been the driver would you come back?

We don't have to pick on US mothers to find plenty of homegrown scum that happily abandon the scene of a serious RTA where people are left injured, dead or dying. Especially the classic lost-licence/uninsured/drink-drug-drivers that "need their licence for work".

I'm afraid.

I wonder where she lives. Chappaquiddick, maybe ?

CustardySergeant · 10/10/2019 14:45

GeorgianaDovesHouse why do you think it's on her conscience? For all you know she's laughing at all the people saying she should come back to the UK, knowing it will never happen and that Trump supports that.

WeshMaGueule · 10/10/2019 16:33

The woman was driving on the wrong side of the road, and that can happen. You know, those are the opposite roads, that happens. I won't say it ever happened to me, but it did.

WTF, articulate as ever Donald.

Skysblue · 10/10/2019 17:55

The idea of diplomatic immunity is that it protects the diplomat / their family from being thrown in a police cell as leverage every time there’s a row between the two countries. Ie “Sign this treaty or we’ll throw your wife in jail.” So blanket diplomatic immunity is necessary.

It is traditional, and understood by all countries, that where a crime is committed that has nothing to do with politics (eg theft/assault), the host country asks the diplomat’s country to waive the immunity, and the diplomat’s country agrees. This is standard procedure.

The problem is, America has an attitude that all other courts/police are inferior to American ones and so its citizens basically shouldn’t be subject to the authorities of any other country. Whenever their people commit a crime abroad, they fly them out asap (usually on a military flight to avoid scrutiny) and refuse to waive immunity. It’s outrageous but similar to their stance on extradition.

Of course, they don’t apply this attitude when foreign diplomats commit crimes in America 🙄

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