To think it's unbelievable that young people in Italy and Greece are mostly anti EU?

[Biwurlu]

I hear alot that in countries like Italy and Greece it's the opposite to the UK and most young people are anti eu.

Is this really true? I know no Italians or Greeks! But some here must do

I am Greek. Greece is complicated. Everyone is into politics, demonstrations are a way of life, but at the end of the day Greeks are not stupid. There has always been an anti-EU sentiment in Greece and it plays well in demonstrations and strikes. And yet Greeks have never actually voted for anti-EU parties. Even The Idiot in Charge before idiot politicians became fashionable, Tsipras did not actually try to leave the EU. Did he harness anti-German feeling left over from WW2 in order to shout against the EU, yes - did he actually do something about it, of course not. Might as well open the borders to Turkey.

Since the Brexit chaos it is apparent that leaving the EU is idiocy. Greek political parties, just like French ones for example, are steering away from Grexit rhetoric because even the most stupid of their voters can see its a bad idea.

Not 100 % sure about this, but didn't the EU bale Greece out massively when they were struggling?

All of the Greeks I know left the country to find good jobs abroad and have no intention of returning to Greece permanently (although most remain very proud to be Greek and enjoy extended holidays there in the summer). But the brain drain and loss of so many of its clever young people is bound to have long term consequences for Greek society

It doesn’t surprise me one bit and I suspect it’s not just the young generation having these strong feelings.

Prepare to have your mind blown Branster! 75% of Greeks want to remain in the EU.
www.indy100.com/article/eu-membership-countries-vote-leave-remain-8888956

I understand that other people wanting to follow Brexit would make the British feel better about their suicidal decision, but it just isn't the case.

High unemployment and austerity measures which affect the poorest in society.

www.redpepper.org.uk/the-trouble-with-being-both-anti-austerity-and-pro-eu/

www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-austerity-measures-driving-millions-into-poverty/

Booboostwo

Mind completely blown!
I was in Germany four weeks ago, when they were having their state elections. The AfD were getting between 23% and 27% of the vote, which would suggest that poll is around 18% out at least.

Someone asked why I am angry? What? You have 2 Greeks amongst us telling you first hand why in reality Greeks will never leave the EU. Do they like to complain? Sure as hell YET any random person who spoke to a waiter in Corfu or her au pair from another EU country told her that Greeks and Italians hate the EU? Seriously?
You continue to parrot insignificant discussions with random people that some are not even Greek or Italian to tell the rest how Italy and Greece are leaving the EU?
Fake news or what?

And whether there are austerity measures or not, Greeks are not stupid to leave the EU and idiotically go on their own. They know that the poor will be even poorer. Greeks are whiners but not stupid.

EU provides all shorts of protection including from Turkey. I think you'll find that both being full members of NATO means that Turkey won't try anything full on with Greece. It's NATO that has Greece's back here, not the EU.

I do not know any Italians who are anti EU.

My father is Italian and I have friends and family in both the north and south. I have also spent a considerable amount of time in rural Italy.

Athenian here.

Plenty of fiction on this thread.

Agree @Henrysmycat and @Booboostwo

I am in Italy and teach 300 young people a week They're confused. They want to go to university in the Netherlands, they believe Italy is the only country taking refugees in, they are jealous as anything of the Germans and they are offended by Brexit They feel affronted by it whilst asserting that Italy should do the same But only once they've got their Dutch degree and worked in London for a few years.
I'm starting a project on the EU on Wednesday so I'll come back and update.

I know a number of Greeks through work and family connections. None (or any age) are pro-EU. I sometimes wonder who is keeping Greece in the EU?

Live in Italy, been here for a long time now. Find that young people are generally pro EU and tend to (correctly IMO) blame successive Italian governments for where we are re youth unemployment. There is resentment towards other European countries for not helping more with the refugee crisis but I have only heard that frustration aimed towards the other countries and their individual governments rather than towards a Brussels bogeyman. The UK gets its fair share of criticism in that respect. And still - 3 years on from the referendum and with a completely integrated Italian life and an Italian family - I have only spoken to one person who thinks the UK is doing the right thing. And that was 2 years ago he said that so who knows if he still thinks it. Instead the general reaction I get ranges from bewilderment as to what the UK is doing when we were always admired for being sensible and pragmatic to boredom with the ongoing situation and saying they wish the UK would just leave now. And quite a lot of piss taking from friends who I think are quite enjoying not being seen as the most chaotic country in Europe for once.

Gio is that you? Gio from the Little Italy threads? it's me, Buch and your FB friend if so!

Hi Canterbury yes it’s me - haven’t posted in ages, but still lurk every so often and there is something about a post stating Italy can’t wait to join the UK in exiting because, you know, it’s going soooo well that gives me the rage and gets me posting again.

O/t but what are the Little Italy threads?

75% of Greeks want to remain in the EU.

It looks to me as though Europe Elects have removed the Don't Knows from the EU28 Kantar Poll;

Greece should read 62% Remain, 21% Leave, 17% Don't Know.
Italy should read 49% Remain (not 72%!), 19% Leave, 32% Don't Know.

Apologies if this has been mentioned but I heard this in 2016 and fully expected Italy at least to follow us and then the rest. It was the only thing that would have made the ref result bearable for me at the time.
The good old days.

Sounds like fake news to me. We have family in both those countries, and we don't know anybody who is anti-eu. ANYONE.

DDs bf is part Italian and grew up in Italy. He's not anti-EU at all. I've no reason to suppose its any different to here eg with Brexit situation some are for, some are against. That's it.

Sounds like fake news to me. We have family in both those countries, and we don't know anybody who is anti-eu. ANYONE.

Why on earth is it 'fake news'? Is it because people have had a different experience to you? That doesn't mean it's fake news (that is such a meaningless expression).

Apologies if this has been mentioned but I heard this in 2016 and fully expected Italy at least to follow us and then the rest. It was the only thing that would have made the ref result bearable for me at the time.
Where did you hear it? Sound more like propaganda than a reliable news source. I often read things on MN about Italy that seem completely wrong to me (I've lived in Italy for over 20 years). I presumed they came from the DM and similar.

Since the Brexit chaos it is apparent that leaving the EU is idiocy. Greek political parties, just like French ones for example, are steering away from Grexit rhetoric because even the most stupid of their voters can see its a bad idea.

Ha ha am loving this - people who actually live in the places being talked about putting the gloomy Brexiteers in their place - keep it coming folks!

It’s not enough that the leave vote has got us where we are today in the UK, some leavers want to sneer at the entire EU project, and pull everyone down with us.

My father lives in Italy and concurs with what some people are saying here - yes there are complaints against the Euro, but there isn’t a generalised wish to leave the EU.