Jeremy Corbyn and DD

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I am so worried about what will happen if Labour get in and implement their stated policy on closing down independent schools. It is literally keeping me awake at night worrying about what might happen to DD.

DD is in her 30s, just split from her OH and works as a teacher and housemistress at an independent school. If it is taken over by the state, she stands to lose her home (she lives in the boarding house) and possibly her job. Her school has tiny classes and a state school would need far fewer teachers for the bigger class sizes.

Of course she could come and live in our spare room if necessary, but hardly desirable for someone who has lived away from home for years.

Please tell me I am silly to be so worried!

wealthy people who currently pay taxes will simply move abroad too, and take their money with them

There are 615,000 privately educated pupils in the UK. Do you really think all of these families are going to up sticks and move abroad because of a tax increase? Leaving behind their homes, jobs, friends and families?

Please try to think this through and realise how stupid this is.

My wealthiest friends are Labour supporters

Of course they are - you have to be pretty damned rich to be able to afford to vote Labour!

Muse currently though we have an education system that is completely failing your DD

What if you couldn't afford to pay private?

Your situation highlights how poor the current state system is

This won’t happen OP.

We have 3 DC in independent schools. They worked extremely hard to even get places there, sometimes the chances of a place in certain London independents can be 15 to 1 and the exams / interview processes are beyond what many adults could cope with. If JC wants to pay for them to be at their schools out of tax payers money, then that’s his choice, but it’s a very odd choice and I can’t see how it will help society at all. We are surrounded in this part of London by some of the top independents in the country, but there’s no spare capacity in the state sector and no consistency in standards anyway between state schools. The state school place we were offered was out in Middlesex fgs. Will JC be abolishing faith schools too?
The whole system is such a lottery as it is, which is precisely why those who can may often opt out. Or turn Catholic. Schools will never be equal because different demographics exist in different areas and this affects the quality of the education in that area. So much depends on family background and parental involvement or expectations. Getting rid of independent schools won’t solve these kind of problems.

@ChilledBee spoiler alert: it won’t.

OP I would suggest you encourage your DD to look at opportunities overseas. Australia for example is a great place to be a teacher, they have a higher proportion of private schools and a better average pay. I really doubt the Labour Party will win in 2022/ whenever they call the next election but we’re putting in place a plan to leave just in case. A lot of our friends are.

This is just a way to have a pop at Labour, isn't it?

The schools aren't going to be closed they are going to be re classified from private to public. There's no reason she would loose her job. At no point have they said boarding in schools cannot exsist of that the boarding aspect cannot retain a fee. You're being ridiculous.

@boujie the majority of us will. We can find nice houses anywhere, most of us ca easily find jobs inbetter places, a lot of us aren’t even British in the first place so won’t be leaving family behind or our equally able families will also be running for the hills. Obviously a lot of those children aren’t even British anyway. There will be a mass exodus of wealth.

The left really are caring, aren’t they?

Just because it’s a person who you deem to be well off, they can’t be worried?

@MuseThalia

There are schools for students with ASD who are at least academically average. It does depend on where you are in the country. My friend lives in East London. Her 13 year old son attends school in the outskirts of South London. Her borough pay for the school and his travel there daily. He didn't attend school for a year or more aged 8 because no school could safely have him there due to his needs and she really fought tooth and nail to get this. He's been there since about 9 or 10 and is doing well. Many in his school go on to further education in a mainstream environment. The ASD schools more local to her have students with less academic capability (they won't do GSCEs) and many are non-verbal. My friend's son has a comparable social life to most people his age (goes out on weekends alone/plays sports for a club etc).

But with more money, ideas like allocating some mainstream schools to have specialist facilities which can address the needs of people with moderate obstacles to mainstream education could happen. We already have that, in part, they used to call them "inclusive" schools at one time but they are schools (often voluntary aided and usually primary) which have a far higher percentage of students with social, learning or physical disabilities and the expertise to address those needs. Many of the students who fit this category will not go on to mainstream secondary schools. My friend works in one where on average, 3 students in each class have a EHCP compared to

You're worried about your daughter being made redundant. If she's got to her 30s without being made redundant once, she's doing well.

She'll do the same as I did the three times it's happened to me (I'm her age) - cry a bit, dust herself off and either retrain or find herself another job. Thank her lucky stars she has parents she can fall back on if she needs to.

Meanwhile imp get on with worrying about Brexit and the Tories policies for you, shall I?

It will never happen. I believe the British public has more sense than to vote for an anti-Semitic leader like him. Jo Swinson and Nicola Sturgeon will be kicking their height. Boris is a loose cannon. The Labour Party should be trying to be more moderate to entice Tory voters who dislike the way things are going.

You're putting in a plan to leave if labour get in? We currently have Boris, the second biggest joke after Trump.
I've worked as a teacher in Australia and if you think the system over there is paid more and better to work for then you are deluded it's just as problematic as ours.
The way education has been ripped apart, especially Sen provision, by the conservatives it's absolutely unforgivable and an educator saying they would leave if labour get in to teach in another country can only be a teacher in the private sector, in my option is good riddance, the sooner all schools are accessible to all children the better, it's disgusting that in 2019 the rich are still allowed to segregate education by wealth.

There will not be a Labour majority. Even if there was, this policy would be so far down the list of priorities that it will never happen. Abolition of private schools would probably fall foul of the Human Rights Act.

Also op this is said with kindness but maybe look into anxiety issues. If you are loosing sleep over something that may or may not happen in the future that isn’t healthy. Good luck Op

So she works as a teacher. Rent and board inc,used in the job? No children and overheads?

I'm sure her savings are mounting up.

She's hardly going to be out on her arse in the cold or out of a job. They aren't shutting down education!

I think if you have real concerns about this as a political agenda then start a thread about that - being honest about your discussion topic.

But the "poor dd" and "all my indi sector friends are moving abroad to the indi schools there" isn't the best conversation starter about this important point.

And I'd rather have JC than BJ. At least then my send DS would stand a chance at not being written off just because he needs support.

How is having private education a human right?!

Christ.

@HiJenny35 how would boris affect us though? He’s not trying to tell us how to live. He’s also not going to confiscate our livelihood (DH has his own business). Nor will boris cause an economic crisis. While he is a bit ridiculous, he’s not dangerous or malicious. JC and his party actively hate people like us (privately educated, liberal, financially independent, international, ethnic minority but not adhering to the moronic stereotype the left likes to ascribe to people like us and so on) meanwhile the likes of boris just don’t really care one way or the other.

Teachers in Britain get paid tuppence, even in private schools. In Australia the pay is better (not great but better). I wouldn’t say the system overall is better per se but there are definitely more options for good teachers depending on what they want to get out of their career. You have to take into account that the standard of living in Australia is better so for the same salary you get more quality of life.

I mean, really, our actual unelected PM has acted illegally and by extension got the queen to act illegally too, we're all set up to leave the EU at Halloween except literally nobody knows what the fuck that will involve, the pound has been tanking for years, the NHS is in crisis, rough sleeping and other homelessness is at critical point, the police aren't funded sufficiently to investigate crimes, and you're awake at night wondering about what might happen about your daughter who lives rent free but might not IF labour got into power and IF they then managed to scrap private schools ... Seriously??!

I mean, really, our actual unelected PM

And yet every time he tries to call an election, cowardly Corbyn refuses...

In fact this thread is such a glaring example of overentitled fuckwittism that I'm struggling to believe it's not a parody. Do you have any idea how many full time employees who haven't had the benefit of living rent free for years have lost their jobs as a result of the economic fuckshow that our country has become and how many more will go on to lose their jobs if things don't get resolved?

Won't happen
Even if labour were to win an election there are lots of things that will take precedence. Parties put out manifestos and if they win mostly have to cope with the day to day problems before manifesto issues.

They won't get in though because he is now something of a bogeyman in british politics and we'd rather have our current government who we know happily behave as they want ripping us off filling their pockets (and their friends pockets) because thats much more acceptable than a bogeyman. As far as the establishments concerned the public are sheep to be shorn.

Do you have any idea how many full time employees who haven't had the benefit of living rent free for years have lost their jobs as a result of the economic fuckshow that our country has become

Are you referring to the current record low levels of unemployment as an “economic fuckshow”? It’s a view, I suppose. Not a credible one, but it’s a view.

Any change like this has to be voted through parliament. That is why parliament happens and prorogation had to be legally challenged. Something like this would never get through parliament.