Jeremy Corbyn and DD

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I am so worried about what will happen if Labour get in and implement their stated policy on closing down independent schools. It is literally keeping me awake at night worrying about what might happen to DD.

DD is in her 30s, just split from her OH and works as a teacher and housemistress at an independent school. If it is taken over by the state, she stands to lose her home (she lives in the boarding house) and possibly her job. Her school has tiny classes and a state school would need far fewer teachers for the bigger class sizes.

Of course she could come and live in our spare room if necessary, but hardly desirable for someone who has lived away from home for years.

Please tell me I am silly to be so worried!

Positivevibez -

This is from a letter to the Independent:
‘Pursuing this course would be a serious breach of human rights as the UDHR Article 26 (3) states that “parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children”.’

The policy was literally announced at the Labour conference!

You say that as if facts have ever mattered to the Corbyn cult!

Somebody upthread said you'd have to be rich to vote Labour, can anyone explain this thought? I'm disabled on ESA and I'll vote labour because it means no more universal credit worries and no more self harming over the anxiety and stress caused by medical reviews every couple of years. I'm poor but their policies would make life a little more bearable for me. I have no hope of ever having my children attend private school.

@cendrillonSings, you do know that there have been Labour governments before? And you do know that they didn't abolish private schools?

I am worried about this too...the small SEN AP I work at has just gained independent school status, which means we are able to help more children from disadvantaged backgrounds, those with EHCPs who can't cope in something the size of your average mainstream and those who need entirely individualized therapeutic timetables to access any education at all. I really hope, if Labour get in, that places like my school don't suffer, and I say that not from a point of view of worry over my own job, but from concern for my (very fragile and vulnerable) students.

0because I pay for it, I also pay for private healthcare. Why shouldn't I be able to spend my money on what I want to, instead of a government telling me what to spend it on.

Well it won't exist. I'm sure the Government won't mind if you use your money on something that is non-existent.

Do you honestly think that abolishing private schools would magically provide ‘gold star education’ for everyone?

Yes. Because privileged parents who know how to get what they are entitled to (plus a bit extra) will ensure schools meet standards. One of the only good things about gentrification and the last recession was that more MC parents had to send their kids to state schools and make sure those state schools are providing good quality education.

Those of you who say it will not happen.
Brexit was never going to happen
Boris would never be elected as pm
Trump as president...never happen!

Things do happen if we let them.
Corbyn could well be voted in.
Living in a communist state could happen.
If we are complacent as a nation which appears to be the case any damn thing could happen.

you do know that there have been Labour governments before? And you do know that they didn't abolish private schools?

Which goes to show that a Corbynite Labour government would be the most far-left in history. Abolition of private education was announced in public at their conference literally days ago, to great applause.

They can choose between state education and home education. If they took away the right to educate your child at home or in an alternative school like a Steiner school, that would be a violation of human rights. Taking away your access to a private institution which will effectively enhance your opportunities despite your actual academic ability/grades isn't a violation of any human rights.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3703535-To-think-concealing-institutions-would-promote-equality?watched=1

I started that thread about concealing institutions from applications.

we are all aware that Labour have been in power before

Most successful was under Blair which most Corbyn supporters hate - the party was more to the centre where it needs to be to win an election

I'd only want Labour to win if we moved away from a Blairite party. There would be no point if it was the party for the not really Left winged people who are desperate to cling to their privilege while still being able to pretend their part of the masses because they vote Labour.

Amazing how few people support the extreme policies of your supposed “party of the masses”!

Because privileged parents who know how to get what they are entitled to (plus a bit extra) will ensure schools meet standards

This is sweet, but a) patronising to current state school parents and b) rubbish

They are more likely to spend their time monopolising the teacher and filing complaints against disruptive children.

'I''d be more interested in how it might improve education and equality for the masses rather than the fact one person might have to change their lifestyle.'

-It's her DD!

I also agree with WitchinaDitch, Labour are unlikely to get in, so I wouldn't worry about it.

I think you're worrying a lot OP. This is excessive anxiety. Have you felt more stressed recently, or had long term stress? Or do you tend to be a worrier? xx

Well it’s certainly moved away from being the Blairite party so many on he left despise

And in opposition- and a woefully inadequate opposition

Even if you detest Blair you can’t take away from him being excellent at holding the opposition to account and getting the party in order this is a necessary part of leadership even when you have got rebellious insignificant back benchers like Corbyn has made a career out of being. Corbyn is trashed over and over again with the occasional good speech and has no idea how to manage the party - utterly useless and incredibly lazy

how would boris affect us though? He’s not trying to tell us how to live. He’s also not going to confiscate our livelihood (DH has his own business).

Good for you. My job as a TA is not so secure with him in charge though. Schools are so badly funded now a lot of them are doing away with TAs which means SEN children are not getting the support that they are entitled to.

Nor will boris cause an economic crisis.

You're having a laugh! We're heading straight for a recession as it is, never mind the disaster we're heading for with a no-deal Brexit.

While he is a bit ridiculous, he’s not dangerous or malicious.

Try telling that to the journalist whose address he agreed to give someone so they could get a beating.

Communism? Wow, just ever so slightly dramatic. It's not about making everyone equal, that will never happen - it's just about trying to make society a bit fairer. The problem is that the right wing press will always do their best to prevent any government coming in which seeks to really break the status quo because it might mean wealthier people having to contribute a little more and sadly there is a 'zero sum' element whereby some wealthier people have no intention of helping to improve society because they will see helping to give people an advantage means putting themselves at a disadvantage, which is sad because there are many people with more wealth than they could ever hope to spend.

Another let’s have a pop at Labour thread dressed up as a parent worrying about their child.
How about worrying about the current shit show that is Boris selling out the country to the highest privately educated bidder.
The rich poor divide in the country is now back to the dark ages. We need radical change and only Labour are offering this.
Good education should be on offer for all not just the richest. The person who cures cancer maybe missed because he or she is born in a poor household. Right now humanity needs us all at our best.

Wow. Yes we don't want to sort out the mess the country is in, and stop austerity / mass poverty because after all we must make sure your daughter keeps her cushy job. We wouldn't want her to have to work in a common old state school.

Good education should be on offer for all not just the richest it is, you have good free education already.

Are you referring to the current record low levels of unemployment as an “economic fuckshow”? It’s a view, I suppose. Not a credible one, but it’s a view.

If everyone is doing so well and in gainful employment, we must also have record tax revenues coming in no? So why is everything still so chronically underfunded? It's almost as if it's nothing to do with economics and everything to do with a belief that it's ok for the undeserving poor to suffer and die as long as the rich get richer.

Tbf i would hate to work in a state school. It looks like an utterly thankless job. Being at the mercy of the government of whatever type, disruptive pupils and parents who constantly complain.

...meanwhile in Brexit Britain people go to food banks, lose their job and cannot get the medicines they need...

there are so many more things to worry about.

@Trewser

How I've seen it work in practice is sort of like that but you know those reports? They've meant that the school has provided extra staff in that class or given that disruptive child the support they've already been allocated or sought the support by accessing assessment from other agencies.

If you look in gentrified areas, particularly at primary level, the influx of the MC hasn't been terrible for state schools. Especially in London.

ThatssomebadhatHarry

Many of us are angry about what Boris is doing bit we don’t expect anything else from him

I do from the Labour Party. I am actually angrier that the party I have voted for and been a member of is so woefully inadequate at the moment and has been since Corbyn and Momentum have taken over that they can not provide opposition- which is what they are meant to be doing

If they could provide adequate opposition things would be quite different