To think there’s little point vilifying Boris when he’s only echoing what millions want to hear?

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Boris (I had to stop myself prefacing that with ‘that twat ‘) seems to have become some sort of pantomime villain but isn’t that a bit pointless?
He (and his cronies) are only voicing the opinions that they think will get them elected, the opinions probably held by millions of voters.

The right wing tabloid press are only printing the (vile) stories that their millions of readers agree with.

Much as Trump isn’t the problem, it’s the millions of voters who support him, who agree with his views, that are the real issue.

We’re entering a new era of fear, violence and division. There will be very few winners. Homelessness, poverty and job insecurity is on the rise. Public services are crippled by underfunding and underresourcing.

Personally we’re getting our ducks in a row to be as financially resilient as possible and to live in the most tolerant part of the country. Good luck everyone!

Across the country there are people who feel betrayed by MPs who promised to enact the referendum result but are now refusing to do so

So you agree that Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg have betrayed the electorate because they refused to vote for the WA?

Did Theresa May betray the electorate by getting a deal with the EU?
Did Hammond betray the electorate by voting for the deal?

The other ploy being used is that the reason the WA did not get through Parliament is because of the backstop.

There are plenty of MPs who voted against the WA for many reasons.
I suspect that if the WA was brought back now, it would get through - because a deal is better than No Deal. I bet many in the Government would vote against it because they don't like the backstop but many other members would vote for it as it prevents No Deal.

The aggressive language has come from REMAINERS (stupid, racist, bigoted etc).

This

And Leavers have put up with it for 3 years. But as soon as BJ is crass (and I agree he was insensitive) all hell breaks loose and we're suddenly a few steps away from the gas chambers (see upthread).

The murderer of Jo Cox supported Far Right extremist and Neo-Nazi groups. The police discovered ample evidence at his home.

If you can lie about that, ScreamingLadySutch, then I can't be bothered to wade through the rest of your lies.

Go back to Uncle Dom and tell him we've got better things to do here than believe his rubbish.

Their ostentatious offence-taking would be a tad more convincing if they had ever said anything about the bile heaped on Brexit voters these past three years.

So true.

And Leavers have put up with it for 3 years

Remainers have had to put up with a lot as well for the past 3 years. Remoaners, prejudiced views of people who voted Leave, stereotyped as middle class people concerned about their holidays abroad.

Yeah, obviously we can't possibly think the prime minister might need to be held to slightly higher standards than randoms with no power or influence. Not that Remainers have been using more inflammatory language than Leavers anyway, that's laughable considering things like the enemies of the people headline, but even if it were, it would be an utterly unconvincing straw clutch of an argument.

But again, remember, this is distraction. When we're arguing over just how much of a twat Boris was, who's allowed to say it and how this compares to other twats, we aren't talking about how utterly useless he's been as a PM.

ScreamingLordSutch what was the story about the Leaver beaten to death by a Remainer? Genuine question. I either didn't hear about it or have forgotten.

singswithitsfingers I'm guessing it's the murder of Duncan Keeting, some months after the Referendum - and Jo Cox's murder - had take place:

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brexit-supporter-died-just-hours-12026565

More post referendum violence:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/30/five-teenage-boys-arrested-after-man-dies-following-attack-in-essex

Thanks both.

"If you can lie about that, ScreamingLadySutch, then I can't be bothered to wade through the rest of your lies. "

This is a good example of the sort of language that is used. It is not necessary. You cannot use this sort of language and then screech blue murder about 'surrender document' etc.

Can't anyone see this?

Thank you for the link, Tanith.

Decibels of screeching about Jo Cox - SILENCE about this chap.

The left is very good at this. Here is the bit that nobody (I will bring this point up again) is equating:

The silent majority (ordinary people) are watching you. They are not as stupid as is believed.

You do know the Backstop is entirely fabricated?

And this is being proved, because suddenly the backstop can be worked around in the last rounds of negotiations!!!

I want a no deal Brexit. There I've said it. Brexit always meant no deal anyway. Binary choice: remain, or LEAVE.

No it didn’t. Aside from prominent Brexiteers promising we would get a good deal, there was no mention of how we would leave on the ballot paper.

It willend in failure, as populism does. Sadly the country will have to go through a heap of self inflicted shit first

But the populist viiew is anti Boris and Remain.
People who voted Leave are the underclass, in the same camp as Trump voters or people that own dogs and kick the poo in the nettles rather than use a plastic bag and put it in the bin.

It was reported by lots of media outlets at the time, ScreammingLadySutch and commented on - hardly silence! It was also several months after Jo Cox's murder, not before as you claimed.

Do stop trying to make it a Left vs Right argument: there are Right Wing Remainers and Left Wing Leavers.

My language doesn't change the fact that you are either ignorant of the truth or deliberately lying so yes; it is necessary to point that out.

stereotyped as middle class people concerned about their holidays abroad.

Awful for them. Did they need therapy to get over that, do you think?

The backstop isn't fabricated.

It's a set of rules how to achieve a principle & there are multiple ways to achieve the principle.

The principle is to protect the single market & keep the Irish border free-flowing.

The backstop can be called something else but the goal is imperative.

You do know the Backstop is entirely fabricated

You are aware that we have a hard land border with another EU country, right? We have to sort that hence the backstop.

But he's fueling it and could make things less volatile by not pandering to the lowest possible denominator. The more confrontational language he uses the more the far right love it and feel enabled to behave terribly.

The more confrontational language he uses the more the far right love it and feel enabled to behave terribly.

What exactly is the terrible behaviour change you’ve spotted since Boris uttered the word “humbug”?

No point arguing, there will be people on here who are determined to promote the Boris / Cummings cause. It’s a game. Vote of no confidence next week in all possibility, and the pair of them may well be out. Six parliamentary defeats, a Supreme Court ruling, and a vote of no confidence later.

Or is that all, you know, pathetic snowflake traitor remoaners trying to “frustrate” Brexit 🙄.

It’s a game. That's the hellish part. In fact I think there are few serious people in Parliament. It's not just Johnson and Cummings.
They're playing with our lives and livelihoods.

Farage's comment about 'taking the knife' to certain civil servants was gross but probably what we can expect from here on in. They're ramping it up.