To think there’s little point vilifying Boris when he’s only echoing what millions want to hear?

[dameofdilemma]

Boris (I had to stop myself prefacing that with ‘that twat ‘) seems to have become some sort of pantomime villain but isn’t that a bit pointless?
He (and his cronies) are only voicing the opinions that they think will get them elected, the opinions probably held by millions of voters.

The right wing tabloid press are only printing the (vile) stories that their millions of readers agree with.

Much as Trump isn’t the problem, it’s the millions of voters who support him, who agree with his views, that are the real issue.

We’re entering a new era of fear, violence and division. There will be very few winners. Homelessness, poverty and job insecurity is on the rise. Public services are crippled by underfunding and underresourcing.

Personally we’re getting our ducks in a row to be as financially resilient as possible and to live in the most tolerant part of the country. Good luck everyone!

It is a bloody game to some. And we all have to bear the consequences. Which ever way you voted, you will suffer, because of our Parliament’s refusal to find any form of compromise.

Daily Mail "no 10 proves Remain MPs 'foreign commission's amid plot to allow Bercow to send 'surrender letter' to Brussels asking for delay to Brexit."

Those bloody foreigners, what an outrage! This refers to consulting the French and possibly other EU members, yes, the people who are still unfortunate enough to be tied into a relationship with this country. The current occupants of No 10 know no shame, they are beyond description and beneath contempt. Those of you attempting to justify the vile behaviour of Boris and cohorts, just pause. If your brother walked away from you and your sister criticised your behaviour in public, would you not stop to consider that you might be wrong?

Probes. Not proves

This is frightening, regarding the emergency powers Johnson and Cummings could use to leave with no deal.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-invoke-civil-emergency-powers-brexit-deal

Apparently Downing Street says the PM will abide by the law.

I feel better now .

WHAT are you all so afraid of? People, get this into perspective!

1. The EU is a single market that is declining economically. It is getting less and less important in global market terms. Therefore, it is a bad idea to be tied into it.
2. The reasons for this are the political construct which make it protectionist, over regulated and uncompetitive
3. There is a net outflow of funds from UK to the EU. WE SUBSIDISE IT. It does not work in our favour. Once in the 1960s, BUT NOT NOW.
4. There is an issue of sovereignty. I was always focused on the economics (see above), but the behaviour in parliament is alarming and people don't seem to be seeing the significance of it.

[It is a peculiar type of blindness that Boris Johnson is being castigated for his REACTION to the abuse that has been happening for the last 3 years, and completely manufactured outrage to old fashioned words! It reminds me of my abusive Ex: its not what I did, its your reaction to it that is the problem.

The MP Karl Whoosis (whose constituency VOTED 61% LEAVE) confronting Cummings the other day: screech screech about death threats etc - but HE SAYS when told to do his job (implement Brexit): 'you should be dead in a ditch' You should be dead in a ditch v Humbug.
People, what's with this peculiar blindness? WHO is the aggressor here? WHO is simultaneously screeching victimhood? Who is he representing if not his constituency? Can't you see how bad this is?]

1. There is a real 'freedom' difference between English Common Law and the codified Napoleonic, Roman law. There is a reason why the British are (on the whole) law abiding and the Europeans dodge their laws - and it has everything to do with human nature (how we are told what to do) and nothing to do with 'nationalism'.
2. Long term, economically the UK really is better off out

This is so logical, so obvious, that I really don't know where all this rage and hate and hysteria is coming from.

1. WHAT are remainers so terrified of?
2. WHY do people not understand how economically powerful the UK is, that the EU is actually bankrupt without our contribution, and they should not be treating us in this way as a result [clue - anti democratic]?
3. WHY are people not concerned about the very important point that democracy only works on the CONSENT OF LOSERS, and something profoundly anti democratic is going on?
4. That this anti democratic movement is extremely dangerous?
5. WHERE have people's brains gone? What are you all so frightened of? Whats with all this unthinking emotion and fear?

"taking the knife to" - meaning streamlining/firing/making redundant politicised (the New Labour Project) civil servants ...

vs "You should be dead in a ditch" . Yes, language.

But nobody was outraged when the New Labour Project changed the structure of government by politicising centuries of a neutral civil service?? (and they did). Which was what the reference was to: undoing that Project.

Does nobody get it?

Ooh I think your posts just demonstrate exactly how afraid you are ScreamingLadySutch - perhaps it is starting to dawn on you how much the leave camp have let leave voters down. No one would be repeating lies and wilfully ignoring the dangers of a PM abusing his powers to this extent otherwise. I think you are trying to convince yourself.

What gets me is the arrogance - that we assume we can go back to the EU before 31st October and they will automatically grant us another extension, no questions asked. Why should they? I think Macron could easily veto it this time round for starters. Then we’ll be out on our arse with no deal anyway, regardless of any pointless legislation parliament has passed to try to prevent it.

The only point of yours that I agree with Screaming, is that of course abusive language and behaviour on all sides should be looked into and denounced.

That doesn’t detract from the fact that Johnson’s Parliament vs the people rhetoric has made what is already a dangerous climate for MPs, even more difficult.

Or do you think it was okay for newspapers to call the Judges in the first of Gina Miller’s cases “enemies of the people”.

I know Farage has received death threats, but otherwise, many of the prominent remain MPs have received them, and have had to take measures in their homes, sometimes staying away from them. Have leave MPs had to do the same, and if so, to the same extent? Have they, like Jolyon Maugham QC, litigant in the prorogation case, been advised to install panic buttons in their homes and wear a stab proof vest? And are they, like him, considering that they might have to leave the UK?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/law/2019/sep/26/supreme-court-litigant-advised-to-buy-stab-vest-after-death-threats

The rest of what you say Screaming, is just not true, and some of it is downright offensive, and I would question why you are posting opinion or untruths as fact.

It also sounds like you are a no dealer, and I suppose you are able to justify that as well somehow.

I guess Screaming & OP are enjoying this, too.

And this morning Johnson was in the Andrew Marr show and must have managed to say the word surrender about 50 times. Not quite sure how Marr let that happen or didn’t point it out or contest it.

The Benn Bill does not force us to surrender anything, but it’s a useful soundbite.

On the show

Funny how sceamingladysuch's lengthy verbiose posts remind me of a previous extremely pro brexit/ trump poster of a few years ago

Putin must be absolutely shitting his pants that he isn't going to get his hard Brexit.

I am going to rewatch Alan Bleasdale's 1991 NAFTA nominated mini drama series GBH on All4. It " explores the madness of power" in UK 20th century.

I want a no deal Brexit. There I've said it. Brexit always meant no deal anyway. Binary choice: remain, or LEAVE.

As a point of fact, that’s not what Vote Leave said during the referendum campaign.

I want a no deal Brexit. There I've said it

Then you’re either very rich and insulated. Or an idiot.

I want a no deal Brexit. There I said it
Then you should be the first to suffer the consequences

smilethoyourheartisbeaking I did indeed mean claig !

Ah the famous verbosity champion Claig and the silver medallist IsItMeBut must have alter egos on here somewhere. I often thought the latter worked at true blue central office and found her essays quite amusing although at times were tl;dr

Further examples of the fragility of rightwingers on display here. Calling people traitors and encouraging violence against them is robust debate, but calling them 'gammons' is an appalling crime...

Over the past few years, right-wingers, especially white male ones, have twisted the definition of free speech to mean 'We are being oppressed and denied our rights if anyone dares to disagree with or correct us in any way.'

ReanimatedSGB

Jean-Claude Juncker ( you know, that guy who runs the EU ) is a white male affiliated to the Christian party who are conservatives.

Please do your homework.

Jean-Claude Juncker does not run the EU.