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I'm not surprised Thomas Cook have gone under

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Burningcheeks · 23/09/2019 03:53

Their service was shambolic. I actually got up & walked out mid-booking because they gave me no confidence at all. The staff didn't know their arse from their elbow. I was trying to book one of their packages to the Monaco Grand Prix & it was costing thousands. They were making a complete balls of it. If that was happening on the shop floor I wonder what else was happening higher up? I feel very sorry for all those let down & the enormous number of ensuing job losses.

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FrauHaribo · 24/09/2019 11:39

Cannot believe threads like this exist. Do people not realise 1000’s have lost their jobs?! It’s very insensitive.

It's current events, of course people will talk about it.

I am really sorry for your close relative, it's always shit when people lose their jobs, but many of us have experienced redundancy, and mass redundancies!

Just because people have it worst does not make it any better for people who have lost their holidays!
-people who have been saving for a year to afford one
-people who will lose their own job because they won't be back on time!

It's not a competition. As long as no one is gloating, people are allowed to be annoyed, upset and comment.

Gladimnotcampinginthisweather · 24/09/2019 18:38

Just watching Look East, and it looks as though Peterborough is rising to the occasion and offering a lot of help to former Thomas Cook employees.

MarthasGinYard · 24/09/2019 18:46

Heart warming to read

Restores my faith in human nature

Yabbers · 24/09/2019 19:00

I walked out of one when they tried to tell me it wasn’t possible for them to sell me a holiday unless I bought their travel insurance. I said I had a policy with my bank and they said I had to prove that before I could book it. Obviously I couldn’t prove it there and then so they reverted to the hard sell on their insurance.

I got up to leave and all of a sudden their “policy” changed and they could book it after all. I still left, and they watched me go in to the travel agent across the road to spend my 5k

hellsbells99 · 24/09/2019 22:55

kitchentile Flowers to your DH and to you too. My DH has also lost his job so we are in the same position

TooManyPaws · 24/09/2019 23:20

It managed to see off the other national chains, such as Lunn Poly, AT Mays, Going Places, Co-Op etc and managed to be "last man standing" on the High Street

Dunno where you are but there's plenty of Barrhead Travel shops in towns as well as online.

MarthasGinYard · 24/09/2019 23:22

Kitchen and HellsThanks

I hope they both find something soon.

Kitchen, DH only has 10 years to go until retirement he's stressed to the hilt. It's a horrid situation.

TooManyPaws · 24/09/2019 23:40

Sorry but you only have to look at the rates of internet usage to know that most older people do not book everything online.

I'm coming very close myself to being an older person. My father died at 86 but would have been 100 in a few months; if he couldn't get something on the Internet, it didn't get bought. Neither of us ever used a travel agent except for work and I wasn't impressed by the government travel agent who stranded me in a small city in Germany on a German public holiday. My parents would book themselves travel, then pootle around Europe or the USA, or base themselves in a villa - all booked by themselves, particularly after a stroke meant that my mother couldn't fly. Even before the Internet, they booked themselves.

YallTroll · 24/09/2019 23:54

It’s really showing the best and the worst in other people and companies.

Some are going above and beyond, eg virgin and travel agents offering to take on some of the staff, the girl who organised the whip-round on the last TC flight, or people offering staff other jobs.

And then you’ve got the big bosses who paid themselves millions whilst running it into the ground, Jet2 and Ryanair apparently responding by doubling and trebling fares.

Big difference.

So sad for all the staff Sad

ErrolTheDragon · 25/09/2019 00:19

managed to be "last man standing" on the High Street

Tui is still on ours. I'd never really noticed it before though. We always used the bureau de change at TC - nearly always the same lady for the last 20 years or so. Sad

hellsbells99 · 25/09/2019 00:25

MarthasGinYard thanks for your message. I hope you and your DH find a suitable job quickly Flowers. It is a very stressful time.

HeIenaDove · 23/12/2019 16:58

HelenaDove Mon 23-Sep-19 19:10:46
So sorry to hear this today. Martha and other staff who work for the company i hope you find something very soon.

There are members of staff who have worked for this company for years...............decades, who will now be applying for Universal Credit and will unfortunately find that benefits have changed in the last several years.

How long will it be before they are being treated as scroungers?

Seems the answer to that question is........................

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50885242

Thomas Cook staff say 'benefits system has failed them'
By Simon Browning
Business reporter
23 December 2019

When Thomas Cook collapsed three months ago, staff like Betty Knight, who had worked as cabin crew for 12 years, thought they'd be able to fall back on the welfare system.

But she was left bewildered. When she needed help she struggled to get it. Her application for job seeker's allowance was repeatedly declined.

She's one of dozens who have contacted the BBC in the same situation.

"I've worked hard. I've done everything expected of me to contribute to our society, but when I needed the Department for Work and Pensions, I haven't been able to access that. It left me reeling."

After being out of work for 11 weeks, Betty has now received around five weeks' of benefits.

Lots of her former Thomas Cook colleagues are in worse situations, telling us they have received nothing and have been poorly advised by their job centres. It stems from confusion over whether they are entitled to job seeker's allowance or universal credit as the tour operator's administration process remains ongoing.

Take Ian Begg who worked as a cabin manager for 14 years. "When we lost Thomas Cook we were just left to go out to pasture," he says. "My treatment by the job centre has felt like I've been thrown out again. They made me feel not worthy of benefits."

He was initially told to claim for universal credit which would have a five week processing time. During that five week period, he travelled to Manchester from his parents' house in Scotland for a weekly appointment at the job centre.

However, a day before the first payment was due, his claim was cancelled because he had received a one-off payment from the liquidators of Thomas Cook. He was then advised he should have applied for job seeker's allowance.

Mistakes mean claims being cancelled and long waits to recoup missed payments.

Other former staff have worse stories to tell but are afraid to speak out in case it affects their benefits claims

Ian has worked all his life and, like Betty, expected to be able to access state support after he was made redundant. He's now given up, and is using his savings and support from his family to live on, before he starts a new job with another airline in 2020.

Rebecca, another former Thomas Cook worker, was heavily pregnant when the firm collapsed. Any prospect of receiving maternity benefits from the company vanished, so she applied for state support.

Eight weeks after applying, however, the claim was cancelled because she'd been sent the wrong paperwork. She's now waiting for a new application to be processed.

"Due to the stress of everything, and the lack of help, I have found myself on anti-depressants and unable to enjoy Christmas and time with my baby," she says.

'The system has failed us'
Ian Begg says he too suffered mental health problems following the firm's failure. "For about two weeks after the collapse, I couldn't even get dressed. I couldn't face the world and stayed indoors. I had anxiety and was depressed."

Ian is managing to slowly move forwards, but many of his former colleagues are still having a tough time, he says, and the difficulties around accessing welfare support have made it worse. "It's wrong, the system has failed us

Betty Knight is in contact with hundreds of former colleagues through Facebook and WhatsApp support groups. They are a close-knit community.

One friend and her partner who both worked for Thomas Cook, say they were kicked out of their flat because the landlord knew they would struggle to pay the rent. They are now using their redundancy money to pay for a B&B. Betty says they feel trapped, unable to secure new accommodation or work.

Thomas Cook staff forced to turn to family for cash
Thomas Cook's new owner creates 1,500 new jobs
She reports other cases of former colleagues made homeless and living in shelters after landlords refused to allow them to stay on while they tried to find new employment.

Some former Thomas Cook employees have fared better. Ian Houlihan was a Thomas Cook pilot for more than 20 years. "I've been lucky, my job centre in Chorley has been great. I've had access to training. But my other colleagues have been treated appallingly.

Lots of staff talk about the huge disparities between what is on offer between different job centres.

Adele (not her real name) worked as cabin crew for 20 years. When she lost her job at Thomas Cook she was offered the opportunity of a job at Jet2, last week voted one of the UK's best airlines by Which? Magazine readers.

But, in line with its recruitment policy, Jet2 charges the applicant £700 to train on a four-week Jet2 course. Trainees don't receive any pay while on the course and the applicant fronts all costs. They then have to pass exams at the end to be guaranteed a job.

In some instances, job centres have given applicants £700 to complete this training but in other cases they have refused to pay. Adele says her job centre told her to borrow the money. "How can I?" she says. "I've been out of work for 12 weeks."

Jet2 said this was its standard recruitment process and would not comment further.

The Department for Work and Pensions has apologised. "We are sorry if people have experienced delayed payments and urge them to stay in contact with their job centre so we can urgently fix their claims.

"We know that losing a job is a distressing time for people. When Thomas Cook collapsed we were ready on day one to help the 11,000 people who lost their jobs.

"Our dedicated staff have helped thousands of those affected, including through home visits to those unable to reach the job centre and by fast-tracking applications so people are supported to find new work or training as soon as possible.

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