Abolishing private schools - how would it work in practice?

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Labour has voted to abolish private schools:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-public-private-school-abolish-eton-vote-conference-corbyn-education-policy-a9115766.html

Whether you agree with this or not, I don’t understand how the logistics would work. Would private schools suddenly cease to exist from say, summer 2023, with all pupils forced to find a place at the local state school for the autumn term onwards? What would happen to the buildings and facilities - would they remain as state schools or be sold off to developers for example?

"I think it'd be better if they'd proposed to scrap the charity status and make private schools offer say 25-30 percent of places as free bursaries,..."

Where would the money come from to fund the bursaries?
Charity status and bursaries are the only thing that stop private schools being elite. They provide social mobility, are you suggesting this is a bad thing?

Today its seizing private school property, assets and money. Then banning people from working on Fridays and sacking everyone on a zero hours contract.
Tomorrow its nationalising all private residences, with current owners becoming lifetime tenants (as long as they pay their rent). Unused rooms in large properties will be allocated to homeless people (and asylum seekers) in an equal housing for all policy.

After that maybe a free movement of people pact with Venezuela...

And on the seventh day Corbyn rested.

I'm a classics teacher with significant extra responsibilities. I earn £70k a year in the private sector. No way would i teach in the state sector. Firstly, I very much doubt Corbyn would have Latin on the syllabus and secondly, I'd have to take a £30k pay cut. No thanks!

A while ago Labour (Momentum) were discussing (and probably still are discussing) Land Value Tax to replace council tax. This would disproportionately hit those who live in houses with gardens in the south east. On their last figures LVT would be 3% of your property, so on a £500K house (not huge in the south east!) that would be £15K a year !! If you couldn't pay (like most people) it would roll up and the council would take a lien on your property.

This is even less practical than nationalising private schools; more people would default than pay.

Knuckeheads.

"I think it'd be better if they'd proposed to scrap the charity status and make private schools offer say 25-30 percent of places as free bursaries,..."

You can't do one without the other.

Labour is going to need something like a land value tax to pay for all the crazy spending commitments they’ve sounded off about.

No one in the South East other than bona fide millionaires are going to be able to afford he LVT described in the previous post!!

No one in the South East other than bona fide millionaires are going to be able to afford he LVT described in the previous post!!

3% would be an OK rental yield.

It's like buying a house, and then paying a mortgage and rent.

How do you leave the country if you're just a regular schmuck on PAYE?!

Btw John McDonnell has a holiday home. Perhaps he would like to throw that into the pot to help get things started.

"That’s because Attlee was less extreme than these utter fuckheads."

But this isn't a Corbyn or McDonnell idea. And it isn't Labour policy.

Additional tax on holiday homes, homes part paid for unions and grace and favour pads in hideously expensive parts of London then (didn’t 2 Jags have a flat in admiralty arch? Weren’t there union bosses housed in the barbican, didn’t bob crow benefit from a council house although he was on over £100k salary?). Hypocrites the lot of them.

Novocastrian why do you keep repeating this?

Angela Rayner, the shadow Education secretary, said the Social Mobility Commission will be renamed the Social Justice Commission and charged with "integrating private schools".

She said: "We will set that commission to making the whole education system fairer through the integration of private schools."

Please tell me what you think she means by 'integration'?

The only Knuckeheads are the folk who believe the 'Express and not the Labour land paper which quoted a figure of 0.85% as an AVERAGE across the country.

the 3% figure was for business and industrial land.

I pay £1630 of CT on a house worth about 250k, someone in our village has a house valued at £1m plus in several acres of garden, he pays £2400....on an income of millions - care to explain how that is "fair" ?
Once again, just as with private schools, people want to protect the wealthy at the expense of the less well off.

CT banding is a joke.

And businesses are going to be able to pay 3 percent more land tax whilst also facing higher wage bills (min wage) and a 32 hour week cap? Their policies have veered from quite worrying to terrifying. Have we covered the increased costs on businesses from the green revolution yet? If anything that seems the more urgent one to me.

How would it work if every secondary school was entitled to one Oxbridge place then three Russel university places? End the private school stranglehold on them straightaway.

Schools will close because the guy won’t be able to afford to keep them running. Or will they sell of every asset they can - stripping it down to bear arsed essentials and cutting staff and wages? Oh yes that’s going to present us with a load of over achieving schools.

How would it work if every secondary school was entitled to one Oxbridge place then three Russel university places? End the private school stranglehold on them straightaway.

You know how Oxbridge are world-class universities that can hold their own against almost any other university on earth (in fact, Oxford was recently ranked No. 1 overall)?

That would rapidly cease to be the case. Yay, socialism!

The current super high business rates are destroying the high street, get wealthy households to pay a realistic amount and perhaps businesses can pay less?

Incidentally, private schools avoid business rates :( hence their ability to pay circa 70k to their teachers.

How would it work if every secondary school was entitled to one Oxbridge place then three Russel university places? End the private school stranglehold on them straightaway

Silly idea, whether from the state or private sector, entry to top uni's should be on ability or as Cedrellion says it will destroy them.

What we need though is a way to spot and nurture talent from state education and aspire them to study in top institutions.

How would it work if every secondary school was entitled to one Oxbridge place then three Russel university places? End the private school stranglehold on them straightaway.

They'd privatise. End all the bureaucratic hoops they, and all other quasi-publicly funded, universities have to jump through, and charge fees so eye-wateringly high even fewer U.K. kids can go.

Sound good?

Youngest dc is at a state primary, dc2 is at state grammar and dc1 is at a public school. On a bursary like 20% of the boys at Eton.

A PP said that boys at these schools were taught a sense of entitlement from day 1. We’re only a few weeks in but ds is as grounded as he ever was and has already been involved in raising money for charity. He wanted to go there because of the music teaching. He knows he is incredibly lucky to have got a place and we’re all grateful. So far, he is loving it there.

I guess if they abolish private schools we will see if we can find a place for ds near home. It won’t be possible to get the same level of music provision. The nearest school which would have places doesn’t even offer music GCSE. I think the people blithely saying that all parents of privately educated kids would just move them to the US or Switzerland are very ill-informed about the diversity of parents in this community, and how many of us rely on financial assistance from the schools and scrimp and save for the rest of the fees.

Even McDonnell has openly said he can't support the policy in it's current form. At most this will result in schools losing charitable status.

Labour are not going to nationalise all public schools. FFS.

No they didn't, they'd never get noticed in the state sector, they might get help once in the private sector of course they don't get noticed in the state sector. They get noticed at local and regional sports clubs. Then they apply fir scholarships to private schools, because theres nothing more soul destroying to a sporty child than having to spend 20 mins of the lesson listening to the teacher arguing with Stacey about all the ridiculous reasons Stacey can't do Pe that day.

Stop saying ffs! Unless we are supposed to ignore what Labour discusses at conference?

Even McDonnell has openly said he can't support the policy in it's current form.

And I believe him as far as I can throw ... certain members of the Shadow Cabinet!