AIBU Greta Thunberg?

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AIBU to ask everyone who can to get behind Greta Thunberg, even if only online, as she's now getting a lot a lot a lot of hate. She clearly threatens people - especially her polar opposites, men, rich old men, powerful men (did I mention men?). Let's all give her the lurve and support she needs.
So on FB I challenged one just now - Why are you attacking a young woman? - and he disappeared. Funny, that.

After seeing her speech today, I would love it if her parents gave her a break and maybe back to normality for a bit. You say she needs protection, her parents should now be doing this. She looks and sounds ill.

Have you not? your litter picking was Good and saved the turtles and everyone else is doing nothing but striking Bad

We need to stop renewing passports

An interesting thought ... do you perhaps have any suggestions around how those to have their passports terminated would be selected?

@grumiosmum
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@Marsha
your litter picking was Good and saved the turtles —and everyone else is doing nothing— but striking Bad

History is full of examples where protests and demonstrations have paved the wave for big changes which would never have happened had people not taken to the streets. Often started by students. Scandinavian countries have a history of young people marching much more than the UK. I have marched with my parents since I was in a pram.

I never said “and everyone else is doing nothing”.
You made that up

Doctor I know what I posted you don’t have to quote me. Just reply

You could pick rubbish while you march!

@Puzzledandpissedoff

An interesting thought ... do you perhaps have any suggestions around how those to have their passports terminated would be selected?

People are not selected Puzzle. You just do not renew. I stopped travelling on mine in 2005 and it ran out in 2008.

It can be a choice. In one respect this old git is ahead of the game.

@BeardedMum
“History is full of examples where protests and demonstrations have paved the wave for big changes which would never have happened had people not taken to the streets. ”

Professional Protesters like to think that but it’s not true.
For example, women did not get the vote due to the suffragettes.
Here in the US, the Vietnam war did not end due to the peace protests.

Ah - apologies, FreshwaterBay; I read it as meaning that passport renewals should be refused, as opposed to the holders opting not to re-apply

Genuinely my mistake ...

Anyone remember that thread asking how many mumsnetters were prepared to change their choice around air flight?

Very illuminating.....

How the hell is this ever going to work at the rate China and India are burning fossil fuels?

The idea that anyone working in climate science and highlighting the dangers of runaway climate change, is a shill for some left wing view of the world is the most laughable thing I have read in a long time. Scientists are paid a pittance! Speaking as someone from a family of them - oncologists, geneticists, nanotechnologists, environmental scientists. Only two of them remain in research because it wasn’t feasible financially for the rest of them to do so.

The problem with all these posts is that more discursive energy is thrown into discussing the virtues and vices of those who advocate for the climate than in discussing solutions to the urgent problem facing us. Mn loves to try and point out the “hypocrisy” of various climate change activists because it justifies the apathy and selfishness of the status quo. Who benefits from our inaction? The rich, the powerful, those in the developed world who like our lifestyles and don’t believe that climate change will significantly impact upon them (it will).

I support Greta 100%. She is a brilliant, educated and informed young woman, making vital points. This obvious concern trolling is pathetic and intended to try and devalue her message. As a
pp said - the 17 year old who allegedly had sex with Prince Andrew, knew what she was doing, but Greta is being manipulated, apparently.

On climate justice and equity - she has been very clear that climate equity is fundamentally to the Paris Agreement and that developed countries need to slash our emissions in order to allow developing countries to build the necessary schools, hospitals, roads and other infrastructure to enable them to increase the standard of living of their populations. But the idea that the world can live a western standard of living is absurd and wrong. We have to change our way of living and our ideology, instead of demanding ways to keep living the same carbon heavy lifestyle just with better technology.

@DoctorAllcome

For example, women did not get the vote due to the suffragettes

Yes they did (actually you mean the suffragists). Do you suppose that 50 + years of activism meant nothing and that it was just the beneficence of powerful men that resulted in women’s right to vote? The same beneficence that abolished slavery, right?!

I've not really taken much notice until today, I mean we do our bit. We recycle, we try not to buy items with excess packaging, we're a zero car household, we fly rarely. And only into European countries every 4 years or so. We walk or cycle pretty much everywhere but don't get all chest beating preachy about it. I haven't followed any of the media stuff. I'd be lying if I said I was that interested because it's all down to individual effort. And I bet a lot of the kids skiving school and protesting are quite happy to be taken to school in a mum's *4X4, use heating when it doesn't need to be on and fly off to the Maldives every year with a few, mini breaks in between. Not all obviously, some will be trying. But a lot won't.

I stuck the news on earlier and saw a young girl who is clearly struggling massively. Someone needs to step up and be the adult, she needs help. She looked extremely fragile and she.shouldnt be paraded in front of the world's media. Shame on those who are encouraging this.......Greta Thunberg should have heard the words 'no, you can't do that'. A long time ago.

I watched her does her today and she looked like she was on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

In what way does she look fragile?

**watched her speech

@NoelFridgeAntics
Actually, it was more like 100yrs activism. And yes, it did not get us the vote.
In the U.K., there was massive upheaval after WWI and the government was in a bad way and fearful of the same kind of revolution that happened to Russia. Communism was a major threat. So they decided to extend the vote to working class men returning from the war, knowing they were loyal to king and country. But they feared too many would vote for labor so they deliberately balanced that by added married, older women as able to vote too. This was purely to prevent labor from getting a majority voting base.

Read the Parliament debates. They are really eyeopening as to why decisions are made.

It’s all an absolute miracle of ingenuity and it’s worth remembering that none of it would be possible without fossil fuels and how incredibly ingenious humans are when it comes to resolving problems. That is completely lost in the endlessly negative, gloom-and-doom, anti-humanist modern environmental movement and it’s one of the things that turns people off.

Absolutely!

@NoelFridgeAntics
“The same beneficence that abolished slavery, right?!”

Slavery was not abolished through street protests.

It was abolished via petitions, testimony and high court decisions.

she might have an important message but she was ott, embarrassing and too much. she looked like she was about to pass out.

She needs help and support. She really believes that the earths destruction is imminent! Crazy evil people that have strung her up to do this.

I watched her does her today and she looked like she was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Yes it's appalling. It's cruelty