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To wish people would say what they mean?

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StillCoughingandLaughing · 21/09/2019 18:10

Having a relaxing sunbathe in the park. A man goes past dribbling a football and says to me ‘They’ve lost a plane’, pointing over at a father and son. I said ‘Oh dear’, not really knowing what I was supposed to say, but being polite anyway.

He said ‘Yes; it’s a big one as well. They were flying it and it just disappeared over there somewhere’. I made some sympathetic noise and said I hadn’t seen it (assuming that was what he was trying and failing to ask me).

‘The kid was crying’, he continued. He then looks over at them again and says to me ‘Yes, he’s CRYING’. I said, ‘Oh, what a shame’.

Father and son, arguing about whose fault it was, go off into the bushes to look for it. The man with the football puts it down and goes over and says something to them, following them into the bushes (presumably to help them look).

It dawns on me that he was trying to ask me to help to look too. Why the hell didn’t he just ask? What’s the point of desperately trying to hint at it instead? It’s the same as people who make endless loud sighs and huffing noises if they want to get past you, getting more and more frustrated, but wouldn’t say ‘excuse me’ even with a gun to their head.

Why???

OP posts:
The80sweregreat · 22/09/2019 10:46

some people just perfer to hint things rather than say them out loud.
It drives me mad too, but sometimes we dont want to upset anyone or say the wrong thing, so we kind of go round the houses a bit with the conversation and hope we get the drift.
it is annoying.

underthebridgedowntown · 22/09/2019 10:46

"Pass the remote" - not a question. So you're not asking

Tilltheendoftheline · 22/09/2019 10:47

Ok

'Pass the remote?'

OhTheRoses · 22/09/2019 10:49

'Pass the remote please'.

ScreamingValenta · 22/09/2019 10:50

'Please pass me the remote'.

underthebridgedowntown · 22/09/2019 10:50

@Tilltheendoftheline - I guess, so all down to the intonation, but grammatically speaking it's not a question. I know I'm engaging in pedantry, but then so are the folk who get frustrated with the "could you/would you" formulation!

howyoulikemenow · 22/09/2019 10:55

This doesnt sound like hinting but yes, I hate hinters and will purposefully not do whatever they're hinting at unless they actually ask.

longestlurkerever · 22/09/2019 10:55

Oh i know what you mean! Mil is the worst at this. "Would you like to do x or y?" "Oh i don't mind, whatever you want". Later "we have arranged to do x". Deathly silence. It turns out she did mind and "i don't mind" was supposed to be the first step in an elaborate dance of "you choose, no YOU choose". I cba!

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 22/09/2019 10:55

Any person being pedantic about could vs. would is obviously an alumni of the Chalet School. The pupils were always being pulled up on it (of course you can, Mary-Lou, the question is may you). The non-Chalet School girls among us just think it’s annoying and overly literal.

LolaSmiles · 22/09/2019 10:57

Please can you pass me the remote?'
'Can you pass me the remote, please?'
But then the pedants would still ignore than because they can pass you it and are totally capable but there's zero indication you want it.

Pass me the remote please'
Or
'Pass the remote'
So bypass the accepted ways of polite requests and go straight for giving a command to people.

underthebridgedowntown
The use of could/would and other modals to make a polite request in a question format is entirely accepted as a request (unless you're being deliberately arsey).

The alternative is to use a command sentence (eg pass the remote / close the door) which is generally considered to be more blunt and in some situations less polite.

Both are acceptable depending on context. If in doubt, the polite form is generally better, even if you run the risk of deliberate rudeness from a minority of people who think ignoring accepted language use makes them smart.

MaxNormal · 22/09/2019 10:57

Does anyone else find that people get offended if you express a direct preference rather than lots of hinting and apologising?

LolaSmiles · 22/09/2019 11:00

max
Only people who do that dance longestlurkerever mentions.

I have a relative like that. They insist they "don't mind" and will "do whatever is easiest" (after I've offered to do a lift for them that is, by definition, going out of my way). It turns out what they want is a 15 minute dance on everything where I somehow work out from all the "I don't minds" that they do in fact mind and I should have known what they wanted.

underthebridgedowntown · 22/09/2019 11:03

Thanks @LolaSmiles Smile

LostaraYil · 22/09/2019 11:09

Can I have the remote, please? Polite and a question, no?

Shinyletsbebadguys · 22/09/2019 11:12

I struggle with hinters and like most pp I actually find it quite controlling and rude. I'm not great at social cues so in some cases I completely get it wrong.

Dp had a slight tendency to this when we first met , but after a few heated conversations where I would get frustrated and just tell him to tell me what he wanted he now actually notices it in other people and it drives him nuts as well. (He has incidentally stopped doing it unless he's had a drink but that's now just funny )

I'm fairly abrupt with it now and outright ask what they are getting at, i honestly don't see why I should have to work so hard for someone elses part of the conversation.

I'm not sure I believe they think its polite I do think it's an underlying need for control

MardyLardy · 22/09/2019 11:13

Dh has controlling parents and his voice didn’t matter thus his go to reply to a shall we question is somethjng like ‘could do’ oh the rage!!

frogsoup · 22/09/2019 11:18

Not just standard British English! 'Please could you pass me the remote control?' will get you a remote control handed over wherever in the world English is spoken and TVs exist. As for 'pass the remote' being a better alternative, where the hell did people grow up that missed out on teaching basic politeness in making requests?!

I'm a grammar pedant with the best of them, but pretending not to understand 'could I' as a request is just unpleasant holier-than-thou smuggery. In my mind I associate it with the kind of thing a slightly icky 1980s geography teacher with a greasy combover might do Grin

LolaSmiles · 22/09/2019 11:26

I agree with you frogsoup.
In my mind I associate it with the kind of thing a slightly icky 1980s geography teacher with a greasy combover might do grin
I take it you've also encountered someone like my former colleague. Grin
They were so needlessly smug and slightly obsessed with trying to appear clever too.

PhilSwagielka · 22/09/2019 11:29

I always find it hard to deal with hints because I'm autistic and I take things very literally. I don't always pick up on them. Or people expecting things without telling me. One of the reasons why I split up with my last boyfriend - who I think was also on the spectrum - was because he complained on his blog about me not inviting him over for Christmas (which I only did the once). I had no idea he wanted to come over and couldn't understand why he hadn't just asked me. If he had, I would have probably said yes.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 22/09/2019 11:30

I always felt is stank of pedantry and a desire to seem smarter than they were.

Absolutely. The remote control thing is just being deliberately obtuse and passive aggressive. Your dp did ask you to pass the remote and just because he used colloquial grammar rather than a perfect sentence you can't pretend you're not being a total bawbag to ignore that request.

altiara · 22/09/2019 11:30

My DH says “is there a cup of tea going?”
I look around and say no can’t see one. When really he wants me to put the kettle on and make him tea. Angry

ScreamingValenta · 22/09/2019 11:32

Pass the remote please

The ultra-pedants like the teacher mentioned on this thread would probably take great pleasure in passing the remote ... to someone else!

TheAlternativeTentacle · 22/09/2019 11:33

deliberately obtuse and passive aggressive
unpleasant holier-than-thou smuggery

Lol. Learn to use your words properly if this is causing you so many problems and people are not passing you the remotes you desire.

MorrisZapp · 22/09/2019 11:35

One of the school dads is Norwegian. When a message came through that a kids footie match had been cancelled with inconveniently short notice he said something like 'this really isn't good enough, why has this happened? It's far too short notice'

All the other parents fell into shocked silence. Of course we were raging too but he had... Said Something. He's such a nice guy too :)

Symptomless · 22/09/2019 11:37

Yanbu. People just should just say what they mean and get it over with. It takes me ages to decipher cryptic hints.

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