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To just not give a fuck about my Mum’s hurt feelings?

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AngeIoMysterioso · 18/09/2019 00:40

I’ve posted before about my tricky relationship with my DM... she can be ridiculously insensitive and thoughtless, but recently I can’t help feeling that she’s really taking the piss.

I’m currently 34 weeks pregnant and at the end of August DH and I were forced to pull out of a property purchase and move in with his parents (whole woe-is-me thread about that sorry episode here, if anyone’s interested).

When I told my Mother that we’d lost the flat we’d been planning to start our family in, she actually cheered. As in literally went “hooraaaaaaay!!” down the phone. Because she didn’t like the place we were buying. I told her that we were still selling our flat and were going to move in with my PILs and she asked why we weren’t going to move in with her. It just made a lot more sense for us to come to PILs- they have a lot more space and lived a mile and a half away from us, so we were able to put most of our stuff in storage round the corner and DHs commute is only about 20 minutes longer and costs the same. My Mum lives in a tiny 2 bed flat 35 miles away and DHs commute would have been more than twice as long and about 3 times as expensive. I explained all this to her and she just said “Oh... I’m always missing out aren’t I?” I wasn’t even surprised that that was her response, in fact I’d put off having the conversation with her for several days because I knew that she would say something like that.

It’s come up several times since... her saying how hard it is for her knowing someone else is looking after her pregnant daughter, asking if we’d ever really considered going to hers, etc etc...

So we come to Sunday. I’ve been doing a fair bit of baby shopping recently and was telling her about the stuff we’ve got, the stuff we still need to get and so on, and mentioned that we're planning on getting two nappy bins, one for downstairs and one for our bedroom, and that I’m giving serious thought to getting a mini fridge so we can keep expressed milk in our bedroom as well. She asked why, and said a bit of lazyitis is costing a lot of money... I said it was less about lazyitis and more about not wanting to go tramping down two flights of stairs and disturbing PILs every time we need to throw out nappies or retrieve expressed milk in the middle of the night. Her response was “Oh... I didn’t think you were planning to still be there and catering for it.” I replied that obviously we are hoping to be out by the time baby gets here (have had an offer accepted on another property) but it’s 99% likely we’ll still be here.

Spoke to her yesterday on the phone, and she was talking about how her depression has been so much worse after what I told her on Sunday... that she’s missing out again, how MIL will be so involved with the baby while she’s so far away, how hard it is going to be for her to get to us when we move, how she’d been hoping to be at the hospital within an hour of the baby being born (even though I’ve already told her I won’t want visitors so soon- that was the topic of another thread) and she thinks she’ll struggle with the journey so PILs will probably see the baby before her (we’re still planning on delivering in the town we’re moving to which is about an hour away), and so on and so on. Today she sent me a message telling me she’d met up with two of her friends “and they completely understood why I was upset. It’s just that you’re my baby and I want to look after you when you have your baby. My sister has said she’ll pay for a taxi for me to visit you so I can stop worrying”.

I haven’t answered. I feel bad for thinking it, but I just don’t have the capacity to give a shit about how hard this is for her right now. I’m having enough trouble keeping my own mental health in check (I’ve also struggled a lot with depression in the past). What’s upsetting me is stuff like how I’ll be getting to grips with breastfeeding and dealing with the physical aftermath of childbirth whilst living in my PILs house... how it’s making me feel that DH and I are sleeping in what was formerly BILs bedroom with pictures of him all over the walls and his stuff everywhere (I’ve no problem with BIL at all, it just reinforces the fact that this is not our home) in bedsheets that don’t belong to us and my laundry smells all wrong because it’s washed in detergent I don’t usually use... how I’m washing all my baby’s clothes because I want them to smell like me, but my own clothes don’t even smell like me anymore.^ How upset I got when our pram arrived today and I was so excited for DH to get home so we could put it together and give it a push round the kitchen... he asked if it could wait til after dinner, in the meantime MIL gets home and says we should just open the box, check all the bits are there and then put the box in the garage, so it’s now sitting under a dust sheet in the garage. How I’m not getting to choose my baby’s Moses basket or bouncer chair because my MIL has already bought them, along with way more clothes than we’ve bought ourselves... I know all these things are fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things and I should just be grateful and I am, but it’s really starting to take its toll. But of course I can’t talk to my own bloody Mother about all this, because she so preoccupied with how much of a struggle it is for her^.

I don’t really know what I’m hoping to achieve by starting a thread about it... just having a rant I suppose.

OP posts:
lottiegarbanzo · 18/09/2019 10:12

'It's great that you have your friends to talk to Mum. I really need to focus on getting ready for this baby at the moment. What you could do that would be really helpful is....'

Then don't engage with her 'woe is me' tales. Just let it wash over you.

MauritiusNext · 18/09/2019 10:26

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PlinkPlink · 18/09/2019 10:44

I get you OP.

All those things that people are dismissing are actually an important part of the nesting process. Something we all go through, in some form or another, when we have a baby on the way.

I just wanted to let you know your feelings are totally valid. I was fiercely protective of mine and OH's experiences before baby arrived. From buying clothes to the moses basket to the pram... of course, people were allowed to buy gifts. We got a couple of things I'd never even thought of like a breastfeeding pillow which was so useful. And it was nice for people to buy things and feel involved in the process. No-one took over.

The main stuff was down to OH and me. I would have been greatly disheartened if someone else got our moses basket (fyi be prepared for that to never be used. Ours certainly wasn't 🙄😂).

Hopefully you can move into your own place soon and start nesting there.

Dont give your DM any sympathy. YOU are the one that is pg. YOU are the one growing a human. YOU are the one experiencing difficulties (seriously, a house buy falling through -pretty major event) and it sounds like your DM is totally absorbed in how SHE is having a hard time.

Oh, and once DH has some time, get the pram back out and test it out. Insist on it!!! I did it too. We got it delivered at MILs house and I insisted on getting it out so we could see it and test it. I could see people were a bit Confused about getting it all out just to be put back in again but I stated my reasons and they listened.

Hope things start to look better OP. When it gets tough, just remember, pretty soon you'll have this amazing bundle in your arms... phenomenal.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/09/2019 10:48

So sorry your mother is missing the empathy neural networks (the ability to put herself in your shoes and think about how it is for you).

The solution is to shut down information about yourself and ask her about her life - and keep the conversations short. How is your neighbour etc.

Don't open yourself up. She will never be who you want her to be. From someone who had a mother like yours, give up forever the hope that 'one day' she will care about you. She won't because she can't.

When you get angry and then grieve this truth to radical acceptance? Your depression will lift. Sadness is deeply painful, but it is the emotion of truth.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/09/2019 11:04

PS your MIL sounds lovely and sensible.

Just take one day at a time OP you are outdriving your headlights regarding the baby and being in control.

Don't buy too much stuff in advance - get things when you know you need them. Allow your MIL to help you - remember she is an older woman and they are really important when you have just given birth.

From what I remember, the most important things were latching on (successfully bf), 5 or so baby grows, being alert for post natal depression (giving birth is a life changing event and 8 out of 10 women get some form of PND), sanitary pads for lochia, a moses basket next to the bed with soft sheets and blankets.. Those are the essentials.

Then: a baby car seat that secures the head, a pram.

That's it, all the rest is fluff. Please allow your MIL to help you, and SLEEP when the baby sleeps!

bluebluezoo · 18/09/2019 11:13

Sorry not read any posts but you really don't need a nappy bin, everyone I knew thought they were a complete waste of time and mad things more difficult. Get scented nappy bags (but keep well away from baby) and a normal bin for upstairs and a outside bin for downstairs

I assumed o/p was using reusables- I had two nappy bins for nappies waiting to be washed, so it seemed usual to me :)

If it's for disposables why do you need a special nappy a bin at all? on the occasion we used them they went in the normal bin if wet or straight outside if dirty.

Please don't get nappy bags- think how much plastic is used and goes to landfill if you use one for each nappy! They are fine in the bin unbagged.

Micah · 18/09/2019 11:16

The main stuff was down to OH and me. I would have been greatly disheartened if someone else got our moses basket (fyi be prepared for that to never be used. Ours certainly wasn't 🙄😂)

Although I have seen many posts where people have been greatly upset that PIL/Parents haven't offered to buy big things like prams/cots. Apparently in some circles it's entirely normal and expected.

Laserbird16 · 18/09/2019 11:18

My DM is prone to melodrama. I can totally empathise. You cannot win, I really mean that.

If your mum is like mine she is rather enjoying this sob story she can tell her friends about how she can't look after you etc. Feeding back their thoughts - which may be a fiction of her imagination- is a way she is trying to get a reaction from you. If you were staying with her the story would be I'm so put upon and tired from looking after Angelo, I'm a saint who isn't appreciated! Etc etc

The way I manage this with my DM is to recognise I'm not responsible for her feelings, if she chooses to feel sad because something isn't the way she wants, well I can't fix it for her, that's something she needs to do herself. I am responsible for how I feel. So I try to notice when she is provoking a strong emotional response in myself. For example, Why am I sad/angry? Often because she isn't validating my feelings which as my mother I was hoping she would show support or concern about me. I wonder if this is the same for you? It is really disappointing when she completely misses an opportunity to be close with me because she is too wrapped up in herself, I sometimes feel grief for the mother I will never have as I can't see her changing.

Look to others who can provide the love and support you need. Being pregnant is an emotional roller coaster, I was in bits regularly when RSPCA adverts came on! You have so much going on with the move, not being in your own space, I wonder if your relationship with your mother has trained you not to listen to your feelings especially negative ones? This was hard for me as I often felt I was being selfish or making a fuss when I couldn't just be happy and do what others wanted.

What I found effective was asking my mum's opinion on things I really couldn't care less about. She gets really absorbed in my 'dilemma' of what cot bedding to use the grey or the blue? It kind of distracts her for me the more important and inflammatory stuff which I don't tell her about or change the subject when it comes up.

A lot of it comes from my DM is very insecure and can't bear not be adored so she plays the victim if she isn't getting her way. She is also a terrible communicator about her feelings so lots of passive aggressive conversations.

Gosh this is long but I just want you to know just because your mum is playing the tune you don't have to get up and dance!

I also have to watch myself as I have DM tendencies. DH and I laugh about my pearl clutching at some things.

Look at being at MILs as a great opportunity to practice being honest about your feelings. She sounds nice and excited, tell her you were really excited about the pram. Could you guys put it together? Let her know there were some things you would like to pick out yourself. If you do it honestly and respectfully she'll understand. Having your first baby is a nerve wracking anxious time, you're allowed to have as many nappy bins as makes you feel comfortable

PlinkPlink · 18/09/2019 11:20

@bluebluezoo

That is the very reason I'm hoping to use reusable nappies with no.2 (whenever that happens)

I feel enormous guilt at the fact that I've sent hundreds of nappies which take hundreds of years to decompose and disintegrate, encased in a plastic bag which also takes hundreds if years to biodegrade which, whilst it does, will break down into smaller and smaller pieces and probably end up in the ocean and in our water supply.

I hate it, hate it, hate it.

You can get cotton nappies on ebay even! They're so cheap.
And the washing, nappies and liners combined all cost less than disposables!

bombomboobah · 18/09/2019 11:37

If someone accused me of 'lazyitis' I would respond with go fuck yourself
Who does she think she is?
She sounds narcissistic, grey rock, shut her down etc

123space · 18/09/2019 13:12

Op didn't ask for advice on nappy bins or the fridge. But of course everyone who's ever had a child knows best and op should just do what you all felt was best or worked better because you're the experts now. Bloody tedious. She can buy and use whatever she wants.

tenredthings · 18/09/2019 17:23

You can say things to your mum like "I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling bad" or " I hear that you are finding this difficult" without having to find solutions or engage in her dramas. In other words be empathic whilst ignoring her demand that you rescue her or compromise your needs. Empathy without engagement, even if it's not sincere can be effective because the other person feels heard and will hopefully shut up !

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