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AIBU?

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To not want to force my child to eat meat or fish

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Delenia · 14/09/2019 20:50

I am 30 weeks pregnant and just had a big argument with my husband. 30 years ago at the age of 10, I became vegetarian. I didn't know anything about the environment or factory farming or health. It was simply that I liked animals and didn't want to eat them. I discovered the word "vegetarian" and realised if I told people I was vegetarian I wouldn't have to anymore. I told my non-vegetarian parents that I was vegetarian and they supported me. My Mum read a lot, started using more beans and lentils in the family cooking and got me involved in cooking too. Since then I've been a strict vegetarian and at times vegan. I enjoy cooking and have educated myself a lot about different foods and nutrition. I am generally very healthy, got pregnant first time trying at 40 (down to a big dose of luck too I'm sure) while vegan. I started eating dairy and eggs again through my pregnancy but have remained vegetarian.
My husband is not vegetarian. He enjoys meat a lot, but also enjoys vegetarian food including beans and lentils. We eat vegetarian (mainly organic) food at home that we cook from scratch with little processed food as we both enjoy cooking and eating well. He has meat and/or fish a couple of times a week usually outside the house simply because it's easier to prepare food at home that we both can eat. He has always been very supportive of my vegetarianism, making sure there is going to be vegetarian food if we're invited somewhere, being considerate of meat smells on the few occasions he cooks food at home etc.
Before I got pregnant, we discussed many things about bringing up a child including diet. We decided that, of course I wasn't going to cook any meat for the child but if my husband wanted to feed her meat and/or fish I would be ok with that and then when she was old enough she could decide for herself. If I was raising the child by myself, she would be vegetarian like me, but I'm raising her with my husband so accept that she can have a non-vegetarian diet so long as it is good quality organic meat and not too often.
One thing we didn't agree on was what age is "old enough" to decide for herself. From my own experience, I thought that might be quite young. Maybe younger than me because vegetarianism is a lot more common than it was 30 years ago. My husband had just told me that while it might be possible for an adult to be vegetarian and healthy, it is not healthy for a developing child and a child must eat meat and fish at least once or twice a week which he will prepare for her. What's more, he believes it's not physically possible for a child of 10 years old to decide for herself to be vegetarian and our daughter will eat meat until she is 18 years old as that is the age when people can decide for themselves. Until then, we will decide for her. I fundamentally disagree. Firstly it is definitely possible for a child to be vegetarian and healthy and it is possible for a child to know if she wants to eat meat a lot younger than 18. The idea that a teen-ager has no capacity to make sensible choices until they are 18 seems ridiculous to me. Of course she will need guidance but I fully expect her to be able to choose things for herself well before the age of 18. Of course this is all theoretical at this point and the issue of whether or not to eat meat may never come up crazy (I know that she could turn out to be a big meat eater and that's her decision- I have plenty of meat eating friends raised by vegetarian parents and vise versa), but there is no way that I could force a child of mine or allow anyone else, including my husband, to force a child of mine to eat meat or fish if she didn't want to. I couldn't even tell her she has to eat meat because it's necessary and healthy for children because I don't believe it. My husband thinks I am too emotional when it comes to anything about vegetarianism and I can't see things logically. It's true that after 30 years of criticism and people questioning my diet (I have traveled a lot and lived in other countries where vegetarianism is not so common) and trying to trick me or persuade me to eat meat, I can be quite sensitive about it. But the fact that my husband, who I thought was understanding and supportive, is now completely dismissing my own experiences makes me so angry and hurt. And how about all the other situations where I think we can and should respect our child's wishes and decisions before she is 18?! Although this is completely hypothetical situation about a child that is yet to be born, I am very concerned that we would disagree so profoundly. Am I being unreasonable?

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Inebriati · 14/09/2019 22:34

I'm pretty shocked that he is so authoritarian! I would never have expected that from him. He himself was a very rebellious teenager and quite a nightmare for his parents at the time

Your husband was never really rebellious, he just resented being told what to do by authority figures and was acting out against them. It sounds like he still has the 'you can't tell me what to do' attitude.
You know he has an authoritarian personality, because he is dictating what your child will eat until she is 18 years old.

I think you are in for a lot of fights about him micro managing areas of your childrens lives that should be their decision.

partofyoupoursoutofme · 14/09/2019 22:37

People say (and believe) all kinds of stuff before they have their child in front of them as a living, breathing, self determining, irrational being. Nod, smile and know that by the time it's relevant your dh will have forgotten all about it, and if reminded will deny ever saying it because it's so far away from reality. He's probably feeling a bit out of control with impending parenthood and is just saying and thinking things in a more extreme way than he usually would. Don't give it any more head space.

novasglowx · 14/09/2019 22:44

I've been vegetarian since the age of 15. My choice. I'm now 30. I have a 7 year old DD who's always been able to eat what she likes. It's her choice and hers alone, to make for herself when she's older.

Breathlessness · 14/09/2019 22:45

‘our daughter will eat meat until she is 18 years old as that is the age when people can decide for themselves.‘

GrinGrinGrinGrin

Wait until he’s trying to get porridge into a 10 month old, then remind him of this.

cherrytreecottage · 14/09/2019 22:49

I don't think YABU. I 100% agree with your DH regarding her eating some meat while she's young but it will come quite apparent whether she likes and wants to eat meat. Just as my DD10 knows she doesn't like mushrooms or beans - your DC at 10 will know if she likes to eat meat. However, the ideology of her not wanting to eat meat will end up coming from the views you put on her, which I don't agree with. If she doesn't want to eat meat as a child because she doesn't like the taste, or texture that's completely fair enough but as a child she'll be very impressionable and notice that you don't eat meat and will ask why; IMO I don't think it's right for you to impose your views around eating meat on her - and then that be the basis for her decision.

Dutch1e · 14/09/2019 22:52

Wait until he’s trying to get porridge into a 10 month old, then remind him of this.

Grin Grin

Mydogmylife · 14/09/2019 22:56

@Iflyaway
Tee hee - totally agree.

OP don't borrow trouble ahead of time- so many grand ideas that are thought to be the very epitome of good parenting- baby arrives and they disappear like smoke in the reality of child rearing. You may find some of your own ideas vanish in the mist!! Good luck and enjoy your baby

flashingbeacon · 14/09/2019 22:57

There’s a billion adult vegetarians on the planet so it’s definitely possible. Non vegan/vegetarians always forget there’s a lot of people of whom not waiting meat isn’t a choice.

Leflic · 14/09/2019 23:01

It goes both ways. If your child want to live in the deepest countryside looking after sheep or cows as farmer then what?

Bellsofstclements · 14/09/2019 23:19

He's in for a shocker when the baby arrives isn't he? I can't get my 1yo to do what I want let alone an 18yo!

Being veggie is fine - DS has eaten meat once in the 14 months he's been eating food. He rejects it every time I try. The only fish he eats is salmon and fish fingers. He's incredibly robust, rarely ill and is a big fan of mushrooms.

Spanglyprincess1 · 14/09/2019 23:25

Howdy I'm in similar scenario but at 14mths it's never come up as I prepare all of ds meals so he's veggie like me.
He eats amazingly so I'm lucky ad loves tasty food, various koftas made of butternut squash chickpeas etc are his new favourites as full of spices.
Do what you think best but just make sure he ahs a varied diet to get his iron etc.

BogglesGoggles · 14/09/2019 23:32

We have a similar set up. We have raised our children eating meat (quite frankly there is no way they would get the nutrients they need otherwise, they are too fussy smacks head against wall repeatedly ). I wouldn’t presume to tell them what to do if they are mature enough to do what they need themselves but realistically most people develop that ability quite late. Then there are also biological factors at play. I went through a vegetarian phase at 15 which my parents kindly humoured (for environmental reasons). I ended up anaemic. I then went vegetarian again a few years later (really dislike British meat). Everything was fine and then suddenly I ended severely anaemic and I’m struggling to fix it. Not everyone can go without meat (no matter how much they want to) and where children are concerned you sometimes have to force them to do what is good for them.

SunMoonRainShine · 14/09/2019 23:35

I expect that when she's old enough to decide, she'll tell you both if she wants to give up meat.

MildThing · 14/09/2019 23:36

“ Of course she will need guidance but I fully expect her to be able to choose things for herself well before the age of 18. “

She will be very definite about what she will and will not eat by the time she is 2 Grin

Your husband is being ridiculous but it doesn’t matter, once he is faced with a 12 yo he will realise.

You are both being ridiculous overthinking what will happen in 8 years time and more, and maybe hold your judgement on ‘badly behaved’ 5 year olds not observing the food choice boundaries preferred by their parents Wink

areukiddingme · 14/09/2019 23:41

if you could make your post a bit longer, that would be great.

iismum · 14/09/2019 23:42

DH is vegetarian, I'm not. We initially raised our kids to eat meat occasionally but DS decided at 3 and DD at 5 that they wanted to be vegetarian. They obviously had a pretty limited idea of what that meant at that age but they said they didn't want to eat animals and they've never wavered from that (now 10 and 12) and I'd be surprised if they ever do.

Personally, once they had told me they didn't like the thought of eating animals, the idea of forcing them to regardless is pretty repugnant, even if they don't fully understand it and might change their minds. Why would you want to force them? How would you force them?!

pikapikachu · 14/09/2019 23:42

Your h clearly doesn't know many kids. You can't make a child eat 😂 and parents have no control what they eat at school and friends houses.

One of my kids was veggie for 9 months. He was 3 and asked to be veggie when he found out where meat came from. How could I not accommodate this when he explained himself so well? He was a very late talker so I wonder if he'd gone veggie sooner if he could explain himself?

ItWentInMyEye · 14/09/2019 23:52

I weened my three children vegetarian as I've never had meat, and once the older two understood where meat comes from they could eat it. Eldest will eat chicken/beef/fish and DD will only eat bacon. Youngest has ASD so I'd be happy with him eating so it's a different issue. My kids eat vegetarian 80-90% of the time purely because I'm cooking for all of us, but my eldest has meat more often. I have no problem with it and would never guilt them into anything as it's their choice and once they have the facts who am I to judge whether or not they want meat:

Sunshine93 · 15/09/2019 00:14

Don't worry. Even the most effective parents on the globe won't be able to force children of age 13+ to eat food they don't want to eat so the reality is this problem will iron itself out
The obvious compromise is to let your child decide for themselves

For the sake of argument just agree to wait and see. Neither of you know what the future holds. My DD is 8 and if I presented him with food he didn't want to eat he just wouldn't eat it so what exactly your DH is considering I am not sure, is force-feeding ok in his book,?

Sunshine93 · 15/09/2019 00:15

DS

MangoM · 15/09/2019 01:18

'our daughter will eat meat until she is 18 years old as that is the age when people can decide for themselves.‘

I very much doubt you'll be able to set a deadline like this for your daughter to make her decision. If she has an opinion on vegetarianism/eating meat she'll have told you long before then!

Fatasfooook · 15/09/2019 02:06

Urgh, I took ages to read your post to discover it’s hypothetical? Honestly don’t worry about shit till that shit is on your plate. Enjoy your lentils

Delenia · 15/09/2019 06:53

Mountain out of a mole hill. Thanks to all for all the kind replies. Just two parents-to -be having a ridiculous spat at the end of a long stressful day (work, the illness of a friend) about a hypothetical situation. DH is from Spain where vegetarianism isn't as common so it's also lack of experience in this field. You're all right, plenty more to worry about before this is ever an issue. Won't be giving it a second thought. And this was my first time posting so apologies for the ridiculously long post! Thanks all!

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my2bundles · 15/09/2019 06:59

You might find out your child prefers meat and wants it daily, you need to be prepared for that just as much as your Dh needs to be prepared for your child refusing meat. You carnt put an age limit on this. My 11 year old went thro so many eating fazes when he was younger including a no meat faze which lasted 3 months. No matter what either of you think ultimately your child will decide what they like, right from the weaning stage.

blackcat86 · 15/09/2019 08:16

I'm guessing this is his first child. We had all sorts of plans before DD was born but he'll find that cant force a child to eat meat or anything else. I couldn't force DD who is 1 to eat something she didnt like. She would just spit it out and decorate the living room with it.