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To not want to force my child to eat meat or fish

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Delenia · 14/09/2019 20:50

I am 30 weeks pregnant and just had a big argument with my husband. 30 years ago at the age of 10, I became vegetarian. I didn't know anything about the environment or factory farming or health. It was simply that I liked animals and didn't want to eat them. I discovered the word "vegetarian" and realised if I told people I was vegetarian I wouldn't have to anymore. I told my non-vegetarian parents that I was vegetarian and they supported me. My Mum read a lot, started using more beans and lentils in the family cooking and got me involved in cooking too. Since then I've been a strict vegetarian and at times vegan. I enjoy cooking and have educated myself a lot about different foods and nutrition. I am generally very healthy, got pregnant first time trying at 40 (down to a big dose of luck too I'm sure) while vegan. I started eating dairy and eggs again through my pregnancy but have remained vegetarian.
My husband is not vegetarian. He enjoys meat a lot, but also enjoys vegetarian food including beans and lentils. We eat vegetarian (mainly organic) food at home that we cook from scratch with little processed food as we both enjoy cooking and eating well. He has meat and/or fish a couple of times a week usually outside the house simply because it's easier to prepare food at home that we both can eat. He has always been very supportive of my vegetarianism, making sure there is going to be vegetarian food if we're invited somewhere, being considerate of meat smells on the few occasions he cooks food at home etc.
Before I got pregnant, we discussed many things about bringing up a child including diet. We decided that, of course I wasn't going to cook any meat for the child but if my husband wanted to feed her meat and/or fish I would be ok with that and then when she was old enough she could decide for herself. If I was raising the child by myself, she would be vegetarian like me, but I'm raising her with my husband so accept that she can have a non-vegetarian diet so long as it is good quality organic meat and not too often.
One thing we didn't agree on was what age is "old enough" to decide for herself. From my own experience, I thought that might be quite young. Maybe younger than me because vegetarianism is a lot more common than it was 30 years ago. My husband had just told me that while it might be possible for an adult to be vegetarian and healthy, it is not healthy for a developing child and a child must eat meat and fish at least once or twice a week which he will prepare for her. What's more, he believes it's not physically possible for a child of 10 years old to decide for herself to be vegetarian and our daughter will eat meat until she is 18 years old as that is the age when people can decide for themselves. Until then, we will decide for her. I fundamentally disagree. Firstly it is definitely possible for a child to be vegetarian and healthy and it is possible for a child to know if she wants to eat meat a lot younger than 18. The idea that a teen-ager has no capacity to make sensible choices until they are 18 seems ridiculous to me. Of course she will need guidance but I fully expect her to be able to choose things for herself well before the age of 18. Of course this is all theoretical at this point and the issue of whether or not to eat meat may never come up crazy (I know that she could turn out to be a big meat eater and that's her decision- I have plenty of meat eating friends raised by vegetarian parents and vise versa), but there is no way that I could force a child of mine or allow anyone else, including my husband, to force a child of mine to eat meat or fish if she didn't want to. I couldn't even tell her she has to eat meat because it's necessary and healthy for children because I don't believe it. My husband thinks I am too emotional when it comes to anything about vegetarianism and I can't see things logically. It's true that after 30 years of criticism and people questioning my diet (I have traveled a lot and lived in other countries where vegetarianism is not so common) and trying to trick me or persuade me to eat meat, I can be quite sensitive about it. But the fact that my husband, who I thought was understanding and supportive, is now completely dismissing my own experiences makes me so angry and hurt. And how about all the other situations where I think we can and should respect our child's wishes and decisions before she is 18?! Although this is completely hypothetical situation about a child that is yet to be born, I am very concerned that we would disagree so profoundly. Am I being unreasonable?

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FudgeBrownie2019 · 14/09/2019 21:28

YANBU. DS1 is 13 and has been vegetarian for the last 5 years. I've gone with his feelings on it and he's growing up perfectly healthy so far. He's 6 foot 2 and plays for three different sports teams locally (basketball, cricket and rugby) and is the healthiest, strongest teen I know. It's not affected his recovery from an horrific accident last year which included several broken bones and his Consultant (who specialises in those kind of teen injuries) maintained that being vegetarian wouldn't hinder his recovery one bit (because well-meaning relatives often comment 'ooh you'll never get him walking again unless he eats meat") provided he ate a healthy diet.

My only rule with him becoming vegetarian is that he takes his nutrition seriously and had to learn what he could replace meat with to ensure his body remained healthy. It's working at the moment and I'd never dream of tricking him into eating something he was opposed to; that's all kinds of wrong.

whatisheupto · 14/09/2019 21:28

DS age 7 is vegetarian. Has been for a year. Totally his own decision. Just doesn't want to eat animals, he can't fathom it. We've spoken to him about it and tried to encourage him to eat meat (just for sake of being easier). But forget it, as everyone says, we can't force feed him. He is informed and very clear about his decision. So fine, we make sure he gets his protein and iron elsewhere. Your DH is going to get a huge reality check!!

Iflyaway · 14/09/2019 21:31

My sister, born in the 1950's spat out all meat as a child. Natural vegetarian.

She's the most active (extreme sports) person I know. Coming up to her 70's.

Tells you all you need to know.

P.S. The whole of India is Vegetarian. Not doing too bad in the world...

Delenia · 14/09/2019 21:33

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Fullm0on · 14/09/2019 21:38

Of course he won’t be able to force his daughter to eat mean at 10 years old if she doesn’t want to. He will learn that very quickly Grin I was 11 when I flat out refused to eat any more meat. Never did again. My parents were fine with that.

My pediatrician’s wife and two kids are vegetarian and he says it’s absolutely fine and healthy to raise children on a vegetarian diet.

Delenia · 14/09/2019 21:41

@Elieza. No, God, my husband would never ever try to trick me into eating meat! He has always been very supportive and understanding, always concerned if there are enough vegetarian options wherever we go. I meant in the 30 years I've been vegetarian other people (very few!) have and it wasn't pleasant, but it's mainly been the constant questions and having to justify my dietary choices to people when I'm not asking them to justify theirs that's made me pretty sensitive about this issue.

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Iflyaway · 14/09/2019 21:41

"We'll decide till she's 18"?

Good luck with that one, mate. 🤣

Mamasaurus82 · 14/09/2019 21:42

We've brought our DS up as a vegetarian, as me and DH both are. He's nearly 3 and there have been no issues at all until a kids party the other day at a place that have previously served sandwiches etc for party food, they all sat round a table full if hotdogs. I was a bit gutted, but just gave him breadsticks and let him eat the crisps and he didn't notice, because i just placed them on his plate. Parents were all so busy they didn't notice. Gave him plenty of healthy food when we got home. But to say that's the only near miss in nearly 3 years, not been difficult at all. His nursery just serves vegetarian which helps. Good luck. It won't be difficult. Ignore anyone that puts you off. It's your choice. Smile

HermioneKipper · 14/09/2019 21:47

I’m vegetarian as is my 3 year old daughter. Husband has been very supportive despite not being a vegetarian himself. We’ve both said that once she’s old enough she can decide if she wants to eat meat but at home we all eat veggie food and there’s been no issues. She’s very healthy too - rarely ill and is growing well.

Booboostwo · 14/09/2019 21:47

He may find the reality of having kids is quite different. Given what you say in one of your updates about your friends kids, you may find out he same things. Grin

My DD became vegetarian at 6yo and has kept it for two years. No one else was vegetarian in our family at the time. My DS eats very little. I have no control over either. The idea that you can control the eating habits of a teenager is fairly deluded.

Mamasaurus82 · 14/09/2019 21:50

Sorry, I think I missed the point of the thread but hope that helped somehow... Haha. YANBU. As much as it seems a big deal that you've disagreed on this now, I think once you've settled into parenting a bit, you might want to have another conversation about this. For now, just agree to disagree and to talk about it another time. Good luck Wink

Blueberrycheesecake1 · 14/09/2019 21:57

I wouldn't worry about this now!! You've got plenty of other things ahead first....!

Okmama · 14/09/2019 22:01

Like you OP, I became a vegetarian around aged 10. Loved animals & just couldn’t comprehend eating them, simple as that. Now have 2 DDs with meat eating DH. At home DD1 gets cooked vegetarian food (Dd2 to young for solids), but sometimes when we’re out for dinner/lunch we’ll order her fish/chicken because kids menus aren’t renowned for there veggie options! Funnily enough, she won’t touch it. Probably because she isn’t used to it..

But both will always have the choice. What ever age. DH agrees.

Rainbowknickers · 14/09/2019 22:04

My dad is a vegetarian

My mother lives on meat

They fed us meat from when we where weaned but gave all of us the option not to eat meat if that’s what we wanted

From being toddlers my brothers gave up meat but I didn’t

To this day the men in my family are vegetarian and the women aren’t

I did the same thing with my kids and apart from a 6 month period when my daughter wanted to give up meat they all eat it ( she started again cos she missed bacon butties and the vegetarian food choices at school where limited to egg mayo sandwiches)

Their bodies-their choice

BiffNChips · 14/09/2019 22:12

I've been vegetarian since age 4 (my choice completely as I refused meat from the moment I understood where it cane from). DP is omni and not entirely happy for dd to grow up on a vegetarian diet, so a compromise he decided to feed her fish. As it happens she turned out to be allergic to fish, dairy and egg, so is now absoluteky thriving on a vegan diet. We always tell her that if she wants to eat other animal products she can, but she chooses not to and says "animals are my friends". She has recently had a consultation with a hisputal dietician and we have been told she is getting all her nutrients and is fit as a fiddle (apart from her allergies of course).

Userzzzzz · 14/09/2019 22:14

You just have to see it as one of those hypothetical debates. You need to have a sensible discussion about approach to weaning but any thought of getting a 17 year old to eat meat if they don’t want to will be quickly forgotten. My 3 year old has very clear ideas of what she will eat and won’t. When your toddler is having a strop because you cut their toast into squares and not rectangles remind your husband of his plan to dictate food until 18.

MrsElizabethShelby · 14/09/2019 22:15

My eldest DC at the age of 3 told me that they didn't want to eat animals.
Ok said I and I have prepared them vegetarian meals ever since.
Occasionally they are curious about what I cook for the rest of us and I explain the ingredients honestly. Occasionally they have asked to try a bit but so far have never liked meat.
Initially my husband thought I was bonkers, but after I explained that I could never make them eat something under a lie about what it was as the reality made them so upset he got on board.
Children's wishes wherever reasonable should be listened to and granted in my opinion. Who am I to tell them they HAVE to eat meat?

The only thing I ever say is that they are not to make a fuss over other people's food choices as it is impolite. Which they understand.

Your DH will be the same if his daughter tells his daughter tells him with tears in her eyes 'i don't want to eat animals daddy' don't worry lol

BrendasUmbrella · 14/09/2019 22:18

So does he think you are lacking in some ways, having stopped eating meat before the age of 18?

Honestly he's probably in over protective first time parent mode already. Just agree to discuss it later. But if he really thinks he's going to be able to tell a teenager she has to eat meat... Good luck with that!

ellesworth · 14/09/2019 22:19

My youngest DC went through a veggie phase for a while, even now he will only eat sausages, chicken nuggets/tempura and the occasional burger. Even making something like lasagne ends up with him picking the meat out of it and leaving at the side of the plate.
He absolutely loves veg though, and he is healthy and happy. If he chooses to eat more or less meat when he's older (he's just shy of three right now) then that's up to him.

QuitMoaning · 14/09/2019 22:21

The whole of India is Vegetarian. Not doing too bad in the world...

No it isn’t.
I would say the majority is vegetarian but certainly not the whole of India.

MrsTommyShelby · 14/09/2019 22:28

I'm vegetarian, my partner is not. I have brought my children up to experience both foods. I don't like to my children about where their food comes from. We have a friend who's partner goes hunting, he brought some birds round for my partner to eat around 6 months ago. My daughter saw them and it upset her and since then has gradually requested to not eat certain meats, until today where she said she does not want to eat any meat at all. She's 6.

MrsTommyShelby · 14/09/2019 22:29

Meant to say 'don't lie to' not like!

TriciaH87 · 14/09/2019 22:32

It's straight forward really. You let your child eat what they want. If your child recides to be vegie they will tell you because they know mum is. So the answer to your question is no specific age. If dc says I want to be vegie you go with it, if not or they later decide to eat meat again you role with that too. It would be healthier for them to eat it especially whilst young for iron content. My son had such lo iron it put a strain on his heart which was because he barely touched any meat etc.

leaserspottedmummybird · 14/09/2019 22:32

Honestly @Delenia you have a long time to worry about this kind of thing in the future. Just relax and enjoy your pregnancy.

Starlight456 · 14/09/2019 22:34

In all honesty You have no idea what kind of a child you will have, some you are grateful for anything they eat, some would eat for England.

Some children are very wilful.

Read any pregnancy forum full of ideas how they are going to raise a baby from using cloth nappies till they can’t find one that doesn’t leak, to dummies till they discover they actually get a few hours sleep with one .

Like others have said you cannot make a child eat when they refuse.

Relax and focus on each stage is my advice.