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AIBU because I don't know whether to sit on the fence or say it how I see it?

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Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 07:38

I will need to change some details to avoid possibility of identifying anyone. I'm also going to tell it as it's been presented to me both by DD and by her partner.

My DD is 26. She was just diagnosed with ASC and I'm saying this because I think it's relevant to the predicament she is in and how it influences the situation. She is in her first relatiionship with a man she knows through work, and he is 8 years older. They have been together for 18 months but I only knew about him just under a year ago when I met him for the first time. I liked him immediatley and so did both DDs older brothers who are around his age BUT

He is still married, but separated, he says. Still in the family home whilst they try and figure a way to sell and settle fairly, as they have a DS who is still quite young and who hasn't been told by his parents that they don't love each other any more I can just see the disbelief on your faces as you read this. DD and man see each other alot, keep in frequent contact but he never stays over and she has never met his family; she doesn't think he has told his family about her but he says to me he has, including his STBX. He has met all of DDs family.

Recently DD confided in me she has become fed up, upset and angry because despite everything they've discused about a future togther there has been little action on his part in terms of walking the walk, as it were. Finally she ended it with him as she felt she couldn't trust him to be committed and it was hurting her. He tried hard to win her back and it was only when she told me the full story (from her perspective) and asked me to talk to him that I agreed as I wanted to smash his face in for upsetting her

He tells a really, really convincing story and one which rings true, he is very aware of my DD's social communication difficulties and tries, he says, to take that into account. He loves her, is absolutely committed to a future with her, has never felt so at home with anyone, never expected this to happen etc .He is stuck in a financial situation that he can't find an immediate way out of as he wants to ensure fairness in the division of the family assets. He can't afford to immediately walk away and start again with nothing and the current housing situation where they live is looking a bit precarious. He sees DD as his future, he still has much respect for his STBX, he wants to be there for his DS etc, he knows this is a very complicated situation and that DD is finding it very hard to see the bigger picture.

My view is that at 24 DD has alot of life experience to get under her belt and this man, lovely though he seems to be, is not available and could also be a very accomplished liar

I'm trying to focus on DD and not whether he is, or isn't, truly committed regardless of the back story. I want her to be happy, she's had an unbelievably hard time in the last couple of years; bereavements, work stress, a serious illness herself not long ago.

I've been in a relationship (a long time ago and I wasn't OW) where I was with someone who said all the right things but had feet of clay, I never really knew where I stood or if he meant what he said and used to feel very anxious and insecure about him. Even when he did eventually and under his own terms move his stuff in, it didn't feel right and I ended it because I couldn't trust his motives and we weren't as suited as we'd initially thought.

I don't know what to do what to do for the best other than to stay completely out of it and be there for DD if it all goes tits up. It's not easy trying to steer a course like this when DD is the age she is and has such little relationship experience.

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Unreasonable123 · 08/09/2019 07:51

I’d personally tell her to stay well away from that bloke.

They were together for 18 months and he did nothing to start leaving. She’s better off walking away and finding someone that can be with her properly.

londonrach · 08/09/2019 07:51

Yanbu. Your dd is young, she should be enjoying life not wasting time on an older man whos already got a family and still living with them. He could be lying or he could be being truthfully but doesnt alter the fact that there s huge life experience d ifference between them.

Wallywobbles · 08/09/2019 07:53

For whatever reason he just isn't actually available to be in a relationship at the moment. And there is no end point in sight to that situation. So at any age I'd say your daughter needs to walk away.

My DH had been separated and living apart for 16 months when we got together. The divorce took another 3 years. I wouldn't do it again.

LIZS · 08/09/2019 07:55

Back your dd's instincts. Even if what he says is true and he eventually extracts himself from his marriage it will always remain a complicated and stressful situation. She does not need that, there will be other men who have more straightforward backgrounds and value her more.

duckling84 · 08/09/2019 07:57

I get divorces can take time but most I know the man moves out and rents a small property whilst the divide up the assets so not starting again from scratch etc. Theres no reason why, in 18months, he couldn't have found a small flat doe your dd and himself to move the relationship forward.
Could you imagine living with an ex for almost 2yrs after a split?

soccerbabe · 08/09/2019 07:58

I'd be worried he's gaslighting your DD,by focusing on her ASD and implying it leads her not to see the "bigger picture.". It's perfectly sensible and healthy for a young woman not to want the drama of dealing with an ex and upset future stepson, never mind not even having been introduced to this bloke's family.

OhBigHairyBollocks · 08/09/2019 07:58

Your daughter has rightly ended a relationship that was not working for her. I don't think there needs to be any further discussion with her ex.

eladen · 08/09/2019 07:58

She's very young, inexperienced and vulnerable.

He is much older, experienced, and clearly adept at charming people to get what he wants. The fact that he tried to use you to undermine her wise decision turns my stomach and it should turn yours.

You would be failing her if you did anything less than affirming she made the right decision to end the relationship.

And then encouraging her to do the Freedom Programme course so she will have more chances of seeing someone like this coming before she gets used and hurt again. Www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Gruzinkerbell1 · 08/09/2019 07:59

He sounds like a very well versed liar. I’d bet my house that his wife has no idea that they’re “separated”. Tell your daughter to steer clear and to find someone who can commit to her properly.

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 08:02

Good point @duckling84. I raised that with him and he maintains he just can't afford a big mortgage and rent, nor at his age can he sofa surf from week to week as all his friends are settled with families themselves and don't have the space.

He suggested DD get a flat and he could move in and contribute to the costs - I cautioned against her taking on a flat that she would be relying on him to fund any housing costs for without him being on the contract because to me that just screams 'insecure'.

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swingofthings · 08/09/2019 08:04

If everything he said was true, there wouldn't be an issue with him staying overnight with her and introducing her to his friends/family.

Yes, some separated couple continue to live under the same roof for some time due to financial issues, but they live their own life during thst time, including staying at girlfriend/boyfriend and including them in friends outings.

He is probably saying the truth about his feelings for your DD, but sadly lying about separated status. If I was your DD, I would long have given the ultimatum to meet his fsmily/friends as a condition to continue together.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 08/09/2019 08:05

What soccerbabe said
I can't see what her asc has to do with it at all.
Unless it isn't true that he still lives with his ex?

Your dd ended things and I think it should be up to her to decide that.
He's clearly wanting to have his cake and eat it

Her self esteem might be fragile especially if she's recently been diagnosed. This guy isn't helping with that at all

NearlyGranny · 08/09/2019 08:06

18 months is definitely long enough to expect to see movement. He has made no move to leave the STBX and I suspect the more accurate rendition woukd be NTBX with N standing for never!

Under the same roof means in the same bed usually, whatever he says, and clearly nothing has been done to prepare the child for a split, so a split can't actually be on the horizon, can it?

He's an unscrupulous cheat who has future-faked your DD into unwittingly becoming the OW. He is currently having his cake and eating it.

Your poor DD! Being treated like a dirty little secret, meeting none of his family or friendship circle.

She is an adult and must decide and you are being so supportive. It's heartbreaking, but she will get through it in time and be happy. She deserves better than this.

Bear in mind, too, the old adage that a man who marries his mistress creates a vacancy. He's clearly an accomplished liar. She's wasting her time if she waits for him to leave his wife.

How horrible that she will still have to see him at work though.

eladen · 08/09/2019 08:07

He tells a really, really convincing story and one which rings true, he is very aware of my DD's social communication difficulties and tries, he says, to take that into account

To me as an outsider that sounds like someone trying to exploit your worries for your DD - and succeeding, if you actually listened to that and thought "this rings true" rather than "I can't believe he is trying to use my fears for my daughter's future to manipulate me into applying pressure to her to reverse her decision".

Be honest, does it really ring true or do you just wish it was? There was nothing convincing about any of the twaddle he span you.

I don't think it is ever a good sign if a man tries to get the family and friends of his ex to pressure her into taking him back. If you do, you probably should do the Freedom Programme yourself.

Gruzinkerbell1 · 08/09/2019 08:07

He suggested DD get a flat and he could move in and contribute to costs

Did he now? That’s very generous of him. The man is a cocklodger waiting to happen.

Tell your daughter she made the right choice and to walk away and not look back. He’s wasted enough of her time.

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 08:08

This is helpful. Yes, her view absolutley is that if his STBX knows and is fine about DD then why wouldn't he stay over. I do know that the landlord lives in DD's accommodation and is really off about her having anyone to stay or visit; he has stipulated no more than 3 nights a week and when she has asked if X can come round the bloke will say no. She is trying to move but she's not on a high salary herself so all in all it's a bit shit. She won't come home and live for a while either, she's determined to be independent.

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FudgeBrownie2019 · 08/09/2019 08:09

he maintains he just can't afford a big mortgage and rent, nor at his age can he sofa surf from week to week as all his friends are settled with families themselves and don't have the space.

If these things are true then he also can't afford to be in a committed relationship with another woman and expect her to fund any of his lifestyle or living expenses. He can't afford to be telling another woman he sees a future with her.

I'm cynical but I'd be very wary of anyone who, after 18 months, has made no move forward. Encouraging her to make space and wait for this man wouldn't be in her best interests.

kaytee87 · 08/09/2019 08:09

So if they've been together 18 months, how long has he been separated from his wife (they're not really separated when they live together though are they).
I think your daughter was right to split up with him. This man lives with his wife and young child!

eladen · 08/09/2019 08:10

He suggested DD get a flat and he could move in and contribute to the costs

He sounds worse and worse. Thank goodness she ended it.

NearlyGranny · 08/09/2019 08:11

'He knows that DD is finding it hard to see the bigger picture'?! That translates to: "Your DD has realised what' s really going on and I'm struggling to convince her with my old lies. "

How did you not reach into his chest and rip out his cold empty heart at that point?!

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 08:13

Sorry just to clarify - he didn't approach me, DD asked me to see if he'd meet me and talk which I did because every time they tried to talk they had a row. So I invited him to meet for coffee and he immediatley said yes, said he's been going through hell. Although I don't really think it makes much difference who asked who though; they spent a day together yesterday and he insisted on going home at the end. Cue DD really upset again. She can't win.

Her DF was an arse, by the way. Huge, huge Walter Mitty type. I can't go there with her though for reasons I can't say here.

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LIZS · 08/09/2019 08:15

No she can't win. She is the one who would have to live day to day with this , if they row and she gets upset when he goes home, that is not going to change and will gradually erode her self confidence.

Ilikethisone · 08/09/2019 08:16

I lived in my house for a while, with exh whilst separated. It can take a while to sort things out.

But this man, assuming he is telling the truth, after this long doesnt even have a plan.

I certainly stayed out for the night, during this period. I did briefly start seeing my now dp, meant to be a fling. When it was clear it wasnt, I stopped the relationship. Asked him to let me sort things out. I told him if he moved on, that was fine. But I couldn't tie him to me when i had so much going on.

18 months later we got back together. When I could commit to a future and I was emotionally ready to.

In that time I had sorted the finances and got a home, sorted the kids etc.

I think derring I'm a relationship with someone, expecting them to put up waiting for an indefinite period is very unfair. I believed if he loved her, he would step back. Sort himself and then start a proper relationship with her.

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 08:16

@NearlyGranny, indeed. When I spoke to her last night I could hardly contain myself but had to as I couldn't be there with her and didn't wnat to make it worse for her whilst she was on her own.
Freedom Programme. I'd wondered about suggesting that as well.

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TuesdayTomorrow · 08/09/2019 08:17

She’s finished with him. I’d be over the bloody moon if I was you. I wouldn’t be talking to him about it because I’d think she’s made the right decision.

His lies aren’t even plausible. And not he wants your dd to provide him with a flat!

I’d be scooping her up and taking her off to London or Edinburgh or another exciting place for a few nights to remind her that there is a world out there.