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AIBU because I don't know whether to sit on the fence or say it how I see it?

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Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 07:38

I will need to change some details to avoid possibility of identifying anyone. I'm also going to tell it as it's been presented to me both by DD and by her partner.

My DD is 26. She was just diagnosed with ASC and I'm saying this because I think it's relevant to the predicament she is in and how it influences the situation. She is in her first relatiionship with a man she knows through work, and he is 8 years older. They have been together for 18 months but I only knew about him just under a year ago when I met him for the first time. I liked him immediatley and so did both DDs older brothers who are around his age BUT

He is still married, but separated, he says. Still in the family home whilst they try and figure a way to sell and settle fairly, as they have a DS who is still quite young and who hasn't been told by his parents that they don't love each other any more I can just see the disbelief on your faces as you read this. DD and man see each other alot, keep in frequent contact but he never stays over and she has never met his family; she doesn't think he has told his family about her but he says to me he has, including his STBX. He has met all of DDs family.

Recently DD confided in me she has become fed up, upset and angry because despite everything they've discused about a future togther there has been little action on his part in terms of walking the walk, as it were. Finally she ended it with him as she felt she couldn't trust him to be committed and it was hurting her. He tried hard to win her back and it was only when she told me the full story (from her perspective) and asked me to talk to him that I agreed as I wanted to smash his face in for upsetting her

He tells a really, really convincing story and one which rings true, he is very aware of my DD's social communication difficulties and tries, he says, to take that into account. He loves her, is absolutely committed to a future with her, has never felt so at home with anyone, never expected this to happen etc .He is stuck in a financial situation that he can't find an immediate way out of as he wants to ensure fairness in the division of the family assets. He can't afford to immediately walk away and start again with nothing and the current housing situation where they live is looking a bit precarious. He sees DD as his future, he still has much respect for his STBX, he wants to be there for his DS etc, he knows this is a very complicated situation and that DD is finding it very hard to see the bigger picture.

My view is that at 24 DD has alot of life experience to get under her belt and this man, lovely though he seems to be, is not available and could also be a very accomplished liar

I'm trying to focus on DD and not whether he is, or isn't, truly committed regardless of the back story. I want her to be happy, she's had an unbelievably hard time in the last couple of years; bereavements, work stress, a serious illness herself not long ago.

I've been in a relationship (a long time ago and I wasn't OW) where I was with someone who said all the right things but had feet of clay, I never really knew where I stood or if he meant what he said and used to feel very anxious and insecure about him. Even when he did eventually and under his own terms move his stuff in, it didn't feel right and I ended it because I couldn't trust his motives and we weren't as suited as we'd initially thought.

I don't know what to do what to do for the best other than to stay completely out of it and be there for DD if it all goes tits up. It's not easy trying to steer a course like this when DD is the age she is and has such little relationship experience.

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Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 08:21

Well she finished with him and then he tried to get her back, she missed him, still loves him, still wants to believe it can work......that's why I agreed to talk to him to see if I could get the measure of him and to be honest I was very challenging of the things he said.

But, actually, everything you're all saying was what I first said to DD when it all came out. Everything.

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Gruzinkerbell1 · 08/09/2019 08:21

Cue DD really upset again. She can’t win

Well she can win. She can stay away, get over the initial upset and heartbreak and move on with her life. Instead of being stuck in limbo with a man who has clearly (unbeknown to her) made her the OW.

And you can climb down off the fence and tell her that she’s doing the right thing. She needs the validation. We all do in those situations.

And you all need to cut off contact with this conman. Immediately.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 08/09/2019 08:24

From this point on you need to take a stand on this; he's not going to make her happy and he's not her future. ASC aside you can be direct with her and openly admit that he's a shit because you'll be reinforcing her boundaries and helping her see that she deserves and is entitled to more.

Sitting on the fence simply enables him to get inside her head and treat her shabbily. She is your focus, she is your priority, not some married shyster looking to bolster his ego using a younger woman.

NearlyGranny · 08/09/2019 08:26

I think the only thing she can do is tell him she won't have anything further o do with him until/unless he is free to be in a relationship, by which time her situation and feelings may be very different.

Free meaning moved out, own accommodation, divorce in progress, contact and support arrangement for child in place.

And that she considers herself free now.

He told you HE was going through hell atm? He said this to her mother? That says it all, doesn't it? It's all about him. Always.

I think the top of my head would have blown off at that point. Poor you having to be polite!

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 08:26

@Grunzinkerbell1. Yes she can and yes I can.

That's it. Validation. She isn't getting it from him, he's undermining everything she says so I have to tell her. She saw me walk away from her DF in very, very similar circumstances. She sees me as a role model.

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Grambler · 08/09/2019 08:27

he wants to ensure fairness in the division of the family assets I think what he means is that if he tells his wife she'll want a divorce and he'll lose the house and the convenient maid/cook/nanny that lives in it. He doesnt want to change his current standard of living.

I'm glad your DD has seen through him - now is there any chance of her finding a nicer landlord as well?

42bsh · 08/09/2019 08:28

I think your daughter will be seen as having an affair with a married man and contributing to a family break up. if this continues it won’t end well as I’m pretty sure his wife knows own nothing about your daughter.

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 08:32

I'm going to see her today, talk to her.

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Gruzinkerbell1 · 08/09/2019 08:39

@Livingbynumbers good. Tell her how right she was to walk away. How strong she is and how much happier she’ll be once she’s on the other side. That he’s gaslighting and manipulating and that she deserves so, so much better.

Yabbers · 08/09/2019 08:44

I can’t understand why you met and spoke with him. What a strange thing to agree to.

Stay out of it, let her make her own decisions. You interfering will only come to trouble.

BlueJava · 08/09/2019 08:51

She was absolutely right to walk away - she now needs to keep away for her own sake. I'd say his family know nothing of her or his relationship with her. Obviously hard to tell just on written words... but he sounds a liar and not to be trusted in any way. I hope she find someone, eventually, who deserves her.

42bsh · 08/09/2019 08:53

Poor girl, she’ll probably feel heartbroken for a while but definitely best she leaves him, and not continue contact. Hope it all works out !

ClaireElizabethBeauchampFraser · 08/09/2019 08:56

As an adult autistic woman I would be very concerned for your dd! This man is manipulative and exploiting your dd’s vulnerabilities via gaslighting. I would suggest your dd cut all contact! Your dd can and will meet a decent man who won’t use her emotional vulnerability to his own advantage! There are lots of great books out there that teach women on the spectrum to avoid manipulators like this man- the freedom program is a fantastic idea too!

www.amazon.co.uk/Independent-Womans-Handbook-Autistic-Spectrum/dp/1849053995?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

www.amazon.co.uk/Aspie-Girls-Guide-Being-Safe/dp/1849053545/ref=sr_1_3?s=gateway&keywords=aspie+girls+guide+to+being+safe&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1567928651&sr=8-3

www.amazon.co.uk/Safety-Skills-Asperger-Women-Perfectly/dp/1849058369/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&keywords=Safety+skills+Asperger+women&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1567928502&sr=8-1

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 09:00

Yes i take your point about meeting him - but I also risked alienating them both if I hadn't tried to get the measure of him myself. Say I'd not talked to him but instead just told her to get rid etc etc and then she'd gone back to him and felt she couldn't confide in me more if the shit really started to hit the fan. Or if he's really a headfuck that he'd tried to manipulate her into not talking to me again.
I felt I couldn't do right for doing wrong so I did what I thought was best.
But he is who he is and I will tell her what I think now, reassure her that she can meet someone who is available and right for her. He can take care of himself.

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mehmehmehmeh · 08/09/2019 09:00

He's obviously still with his wife and hiding an affair. Ever looked at his social media op?

GabriellaMontez · 08/09/2019 09:01

Well done to her for ending it. You're prolonging this.

I dislike his suggestion she should get a flat to fix his mess. He needs to sort out his own affairs.

Livingbynumbers · 08/09/2019 09:06

Yes @mehmehmehmeh, just now.

He lied about how long he and his ?STBX have been together according to his status they met 6 years ago. He said 12 years.
He changed his profile pic 3 september.
There are photos of him and his STBX most recent 2016.

anyway, he's lied.

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TonTonMacoute · 08/09/2019 09:12

It sounds like you have handled it very well, both of you. Your DD has been very strong to break it off and not to settle for being messed around by him. Just because she has done the right thing doesn't mean it's not going to hurt.

Speaking to him was also the right thing, I'm sure she asked you because she thought you would be less influenced by his flannel and would stay resolute.

As for him, of course it's hard to extricate yourself from a family situation to be with a lovely young woman - that's why it's such a very bad idea!

Sewrainbow · 08/09/2019 09:13

Encourage and support her to maintain the separation. This man will do her no good even if he is genuine, (I'm afraid I suspect he is having his cake and eating it, I'd also put money on the wife not knowing about their separation) she'd be wasting her youth waiting for a man who hasn't shown her any commitment so far.

If he is genuine and sorts out divorce, commits to her etc etc she'll be straight into step parent role, not what I'd want for my vulnerable 24 year old. Then what if she wants kids but he's done with it or says he's too old etc

No, be privately pleased she ended it and work on supporting her to improve her confidence and have the courage of her convictions.

curiouslypacific · 08/09/2019 09:14

I'd steer clear of discussing him and his feelings when you see her. He's made all this about him so far, even going so far as trying to convince you to advocate for him. Sod him and what he wants, its irrelevant.

Focus on your DD - how her feelings have been hurt repeatedly, how her wishes are not being respected, how this situation will keep on damaging her. How she's done so well walking away when being treated badly. You know breakups hurt, but also that it passes. Reassure her it will be possible to meet someone else and fall in love again. Basically build her up and tell her you're so proud of her for being strong and walking away when someone didn't treat her with the kindness and respect she deserves. Be a cheerleader for her being strong and recognising she is worth so much more.

CaMePlaitPas · 08/09/2019 09:16

Your daughter is vulnerable OP. She sounds like she's fallen for him and his stories hook, line and sinker. What I would say is that it's not difficult to hypnotise an inexperienced young woman with learning difficulties who's only "crime" is wanting find someone to love and someone who loves her back. Unfortunately, I doubt that he is the one for her, he's too inconsistent (from what I've read on the thread) and I would bet my bottom dollar that he's not telling the truth about his previous relationship. Could you show your daughter this thread? Do you think that'd help?

Sewrainbow · 08/09/2019 09:16

Cross post!

He's a well practised liar then as we thought - bastard!

Well done your dd for getting out, dont let her crumble and take him back! Smile

mankyfourthtoe · 08/09/2019 09:16

I'd say to her that this period is doing no good for her mental health, that he's being fair to everyone but her, and she did the mature thing to end it.
If he was to turn up in a year with a flat and an arrangement to see his son etc then she could look at starting again, but until then she needs to live.

Teacakeandalatte · 08/09/2019 09:27

As a young woman with ASC your dd will benefit from having a simple, straightforward life. Reducing sources of stress will help her cope with the extra strain everyday living costs her and be so much better for her mental health. I feel like this guy can only add stresses. Even if he did eventually split with his wife it will still be a long stressful process and he will bring all these troubles to dds door. Will she cope well with his future financial problems and emotional baggage and having a step family, which is notorious for being difficult.

I would be reassuring her she is right to end the relationship and advise her to take some time to get over this break up and then look to the benefits of being single and independent. Having a career, own money, own home just as she likes it, time for friends and interests, not too much pressure or responsibility.

ItsInTheSpoon · 08/09/2019 09:27

He is hurting her and ignoring her wellbeing... she is young and has a lifetime ahead of her - she doesn’t need all this and can do better... and deserves better. She’s made the right decision in ending it and shouldn’t let him talk her round.

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