Is Scottish nationalism okay but English Nationalism isn't?

[Missangrypants]

That really. Why is the phrase 'English nationalism" mentioned with scorn but "Scottish or Welsh nationalism isn't? Should English nationalism always be a byword for racism?

By the way I'm a BAME person and usually define myself as British rather than English even though born in England.

The Jewish residents could display the English flag themselves and reclaim it - what with them being English as you say.

They could, but Jewish people have more reason than some to understand the dangers of unchecked nationalism, so you can see why they might consider decking out your house with a flag designed to make some ethnicities feel uncomfortable might be a game in they don't want to participate.

The flag isn't designed to make people feel that way

Some people use it that way, but that's because everyone else lets them

Sadly it is because our representation of English Pride is usually only noted in the most extreme of cases, football thug clubs, EDL, Tommy Robinson and almost exclusively it is the excuse to display violence and antisocial behaviour, especially to those that are not considered “English” by the idiots who follow these groups - especially if those they target aren’t white.

It’s a disgusting example of “National Pride” becoming the banner of extremist behaviour by a loud and aggressive minority that become the general representation of “Proud English”.

I am English and I am white, it makes me despair to see the above mentioned demographics (and others) use their so-called nationalistic pride to this twisted purpose. I am proud that I am English because of my family heritage and that is all. I am not proud of the history my country holds nor of the idiots that are xenophobic to a fault. I once tried to reason with one such person that England is a mix of many cultures built over ages past, that to be a “pure” Englishman is practically impossible to prove for almost everybody. Also mentioned our Royal Family are of German Descent. I got told to fuck off 😂

My mother was Scottish, my father Irish, I am English. But in reality I consider myself to be British.

My friends parents are from Hong Kong, she is English/British.

IMHO being British in the 21st century should reflect the inclusion of various cultures and the ability of society to come together, adapt and respect each other.

All british nationalism seems to do however iis highlight the racism/xenophobic hate speak. Maybe it is the way our press choose to focus it, always highlighting the prick in the room.

If there was ever a genuine British trait worth maintaining, it was the ability to ignore the moron in the room without the need to cause a scene. Instead these people are given airtime. Think Forage...really?

It is shameful that this is what gets reported in the news for the world stage. Post the Brexit referendum the press sought out xenophobic ignorant voters, not well informed voters. The whole of the world watched this shit show.

I am ashamed of the way this nation is portrayed worldwide, because I do not feel that it represents real life in Britain at all in my experience.

I'm afraid the reasons have all been made clear here. English nationalism reflects attitudes and history.

When the Home Secretary can advocate an attempt to starve Ireland into a Brexit submission over the backstop, it indicates as to why English Nationalism will ALWAYS be considered dangerous and unpleasant. At best.

I am not proud of the history my country holds

Most countries have a mix of "bad" and "good" history. The bad bits are often the result of a small, usually elite, group pursuing their own ambitions and lining their own pockets. The rest of the population meanwhile gets on with their lives - doing the best they can with the circumstances they find themselves in. Most counties also have a rich history of innovators, entrepreneurs, artists, writers, musicians, crafts people, social reformers who have made a positive effect on the people around them and their country.

You are correct of course with regards to English history - it is more than the negatives, I meant to refer to the history that is conveniently used by the extremist National Priders - such as the good old Empire and our history of invading, conquering and oppressing. I meant to include that but my brain was moving faster than my typing.

The flag isn't designed to make people feel that way

But the PP who brought up the experiences of those Jewish people was referring to a situation where it was used that way - to exclude specific groups of people. Under those circumstances you can see why Jewish people, already too well acquainted with the devastation of extreme nationalism, wouldn't feel at all comfortable trying to 'reclaim' the flag.

Nothing wrong with Scotland eating to be independent. It doesn’t mean they dislike English people (lots of English people choose to live in Scotland). It’s a desire for self determination. Time and time again the majority vote of the people in Scotland is regularly undermined by the way the people in England in particular votes. The countries want different things.

I wish we celebrated St George's Day.
I mean, St Patricks Day (for example) is a massive thing but we never really do anything for St Georges.
On the other hand, I can see why England don't so much. Been hijacked by the for want of a better phrase Tommy R crowd, hasn't it?
Sad really.

"They have huge chips on their shoulder for some bizarre reason."

Gosh, yes, I wonder what on earth the Scottish could possibly have to be annoyed about?!

Nothing to do with history, shitty patronising attitudes like this, the erosion of our culture I'm sure.

Wasnt there a referendum on Scottish independence? Did I miss it? I think any country has the right to independence, if the majority want it.

yes 2014 - the Al Green "Lets Stay Together" faction predicated a lot of their appeal on UK having the benefits of EU membership.
Of course two years later the UK voted to leave, though Scots voted to Remain.

So the Scots electorate can be forgiven for deciding self-determination is best.

If the goal posts have been moved surely there should be a further referendum?

"If the goal posts have been moved surely there should be a further referendum?"

Well yes, that has been discussed rather extensively...

It is because historically the English are the oppressors.

Same reason that Straight Pride and Men's Rights are ridiculous.