Prince Harry - AIBU?

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Prince Harry saying "we can all do better" has really irked me- aibu?! He has every want and need satisfied while the majority of us and trying to do right by the environment whilst making ends meet. He is becoming very sanctimonious!

I'm not sure the Sussexes are influential enough to move the Great Wall of China, are they??

No. SmartWorks is a high fashion concept about to feature on Milan catwalk level of ridiculous.

And there quite clearly are many different types of intelligence, how could you dispute that?

I'm genuinely not trying to be arsey here. I have children with different abilities myself.

Multiple (types) of intelligences is disputed within the field of intelligence research. Some accept there are multiple intelligences some say no there isn't. The very idea of a concept of intelligence and how it is measured is open to hot dispute.

You allege that a learning a skill such as dance, or football or in this case acting, equates to the same sort of intelligence required to work out the math involved in working out a complex equation or writing a dissertation. I say no they are proof of different things. Both require a certain amount of intelligence (as do all things) but only one is proof of intelligence as we currently measure it. It's partly why the 11+ exams concentrate on verbal and non-verbal reasoning they are trying to capture apititude and intelligence. Children are not asked for their paintings or asked to give their best rendition of a song for entry even those these skills are considered alongside test results in making choices of entry, (but can be considered if they are superlative) that is because these are proof of learned skills.

I'm not saying I agree with any of this at all by the way.

while unfortunate in their proximity to each other
Unfortunate is one word for it.

Does anybody know how 'affordable' those clothes are going to be for women trying to get back into work?

Also If they are such high profile clothes wouldn't there be a chance of an employer knowing exactly where you got it from/10 people turning up wearing the same suit that day etc?

I think I would try to avoid it. I thought the concept of smartworks was people donating what might be genuinely good quality one off pieces that are not copycat and not identifying or outing as 'hardup'.

“Does anybody know how 'affordable' those clothes are going to be for women trying to get back into work?“
One capsule wardrobe will be donated to SmartWorks for every one sold. And they will continue to process donated clothes. We’re surely not seeing people trying to diss a fabulous initiative because Meghan’s involved, are we?

The more people trot out the same old criticisms the more it looks as if they really have nothing else. It really is bizarre.

We’re surely not seeing people trying to diss a fabulous initiative because Meghan’s involved, are we?

I believe that's exactly what we're seeing @BertrandRussell. I do wonder how Kate's garden at Chelsea would've been received had it been an initiative of Meghan's...

Is anyone up for providing a list of the things that Meghan has done wrong? Everyone agrees that the private jets, unless there is more to the story than meets the eye, was a completely stupid thing to do. So what else?

For once, I honestly don't think it would be a bad thing if strings were pulled to get "Smart Works" promoted on the catwalk. If something's genuinely worthwhile isn't it better that folk know about it? (Though I'm not sure how much notice the target audience take of exclusive fashion shows)

Lord knows there are enough things to criticise the Sussexes for, but I'm not convinced this is one of them

“Lord knows there are enough things to criticise the Sussexes for,”

Like what?

@BertrandRussell

Charles has been talking about the environment for longer than I can remember. It seems illogical to assume that Harry’s interest comes from Meghan- it hasn’t been a particular cause of hers in the past

Exactly - His own father has been talking about ecology and related green issues for years, and Harry has shown virtually zero interest. But now he’s suddenly lecturing us about how we travel...

Three issues here:

1. when he is credible on a topic, can he make a difference? (yes)
2. is he a credible and effective speaker on topics such as climate change, over population and social media? (no)
3. why has he suddenly switched from issues he’s knowledgeable, credible and effective on, to things that he looks hypocritical, poorly informed and uncomfortable on? ??

I suspect MM influence - the timing is too suspicious. But MM isn’t Harry. It comes much easier to her to adopt and champion fashionable new causes - she’s cleverer so she can pick up the detail faster - she’s an actress so she can act more authoritative on a topic that she is - and most of all she’s just used to it. As a B-list US celebrity you have to keep creating news all the time or you fall out of the spotlight and you don’t get parts. I think she hasn’t quite understood yet that British royalty doesn’t work like that - you get celebrity automatically but you earn respect and admiration by doing the unglamorous uncontroversial stuff over and over again.

It’s a bit difficult for her to have done anything over and over again in the time she’s been around!

I would bet money that having a runway show at a prestigious fashion event is on the business plan for Smartworks - I can just visualise Meghan walking out with the models on their final walk out as the 'designer' to rapturous standing ovation . All shy smiles, hand over face 'I don't deserve this but thank you all so much'

I actually have nothing against her it's all great entertainment. She's a grafter, fair play to her

There are about 5 items in the collection, none of which are the stuff of runway shows!

Harry is doing some grief tourism today, pretending to close some trades at Cantor Fitzgerald. No doubt everyone there is telling him how marvellous he is.

But hey, let’s trash a fantastic charity benefitting women. Because Meghan Markle didn’t show us more pictures of her baby. Nice work, guys. Nice work.

And, incidentally, Kate got her part time (in order to make herself available for William) Jigsaw accessories buyer job through John and Belle Robinson, the owners of Jigsaw, who are Middleton family friends (now divorced I think).

Does anybody think Kate from Bolton, who went to St Andrews from her local comp, would have scored such a sweet job without connections? Really?

The Meghan bashers simply hate her, have always hated her, will always hate her, will always find a way to put the most negative spin on (or outright lie about) anything she does.

You really have no proof that people 'hate' her and certainly none whatsoever that they have always 'hated' her or that she's subject to more 'hatred' than either Kate, or Fergie have received.

In fact after her engagement interview with Harry I roundly defended and praised her (under a different name) and some who now voraciously defend her on MN didn't at first.

People can change their opinions. Demonising everyone who questions H &M while defending them is just as wrong. Neither do I understand the almost frantic desire to cast them in a positive light especially by those who claim to be republicans but then perhaps it does make sense if you are not judging their behaviour against the notion of preservation of royalty but simply in the framework of being ordinary people.

They certainly ought to receive scrutiny. Like it or not they are the ones being vocal about their environmental credentials then doing the opposite. No ones asking them to launch private green washing initiatives or for their opinion on anything at all. They volunteer it. No one is asking them to hop on planes to watch matches you can watch live on TV, they are choosing to do it. Or spend millions on a reburbishment during austerity, or demand privacy while using PR to maximum effect and spend time highlighting the work of private companies.

Yet if you call them out you are 'hating'? What are people meant to do? Just say all those things are great and just concentrate on all the positives?

And Kate did receive some scorn for her Chelsea garden in the form of WTF has she done to merit getting the opportunity to a garden at Chelsea?! Interestly people defended her and looked past the issues in the same way people do constantly here regarding M.

@BertrandRussell I remember the tabloids dug and dug until they found that some extremist turned out to have once worshipped at the mosque at the community centre to which the Hubb Kitchen is attached. So not only did they attempt to link Meghan with terrorism but they also did a number on the poor women who run the kitchen.

And Kate did receive some scorn for her Chelsea garden in the form of WTF has she done to merit getting the opportunity to a garden at Chelsea?

Did she? I think I read maybe one post on MN that criticised her about it, as opposed to the endless threads about Meghan does - her Vogue editorial must've resulted in at least 5 threads! Nor was the garden covered in any way other than a positive one in the media, whereas with Meghan they seem to look for the worst possible angle to everything she does. I'm not saying the royals shouldn't be scrutinised but the difference between the coverage of the two duchesses is quite something.

“Or spend millions on a reburbishment during austerity, or demand privacy while using PR to maximum effect and spend time highlighting the work of private companies.”
Why are the millions they spent on refurbishment worse than the significantly more millions William and Kate spent on refurbishment? In what way have they demanded privacy except around their child? And what private companies are they highlighting?

Everybody agrees, by the way, tgt the flying is problematic- although I don’t think I would begrudge anyone a trip to visit a friend......

Don’t get me wrong- I think the way the rf spend money is shocking. I just don’t think M&H’a spending is any more shocking than any of the others.