Prince Harry - AIBU?

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Prince Harry saying "we can all do better" has really irked me- aibu?! He has every want and need satisfied while the majority of us and trying to do right by the environment whilst making ends meet. He is becoming very sanctimonious!

What happens to money going into the US Sussex foundation? If H and M are using any of it as their own income, rather than for charity, it is a concern. Will they give preferential attention to events/support causes that donate money? Is this what happened when they attended the showing of the Lion King rather than the military event?

If the people who drew up (the Kyoto Protocol)are happy with carbon offsetting being used as one of the tools to reduce our impact on the environment, that's fine by me

I wouldn't be too trusting, frankly. The drafters will know better than most that the whole climate thing's become a huge industry, and it's hardly surprising if they wish to encourage a bit more money flowing their way

Interesting point about the money going to the Sussex Foundation though - or any other royal initiative, come to that. Good luck to anyone trying to discover what really happens to it, given the smoke and mirrors in which the RF and their advisors are so skilled

are private jets that much more secure?

I guess it depends if you mean the actual aircraft or the experience in getting to it. On the first they're hardly going to use some old crop-sprayer to transport the RF, and on the second they certainly won't be processed through the airport like the rest of us

There's the issue of being on commercial transport of course, but if that's good enough for much more senior members I'm not easily convinced it's such a risk for H&M

It's reported (it could be untrue its a new story) that the reason they are not going to Balmoral is because Baby Archie is too young, (to which I thought surely subjecting him to 4 flights in 11 days with the inevitable air pressure differentials during landing and taking off would be of more concern for a very young baby) but It does say they would be expected to spend 2 months there so maybe it's about that. Literally creating a new baby friendly space. Not sure they would be able to bring their nanny or not either.

I thought it proven that private jets were statistically less safe than commercial planes overall?

Anecdotally, think of all the music and movie stars, politicians and society people who have reached their demise while in a private jet.

Catherine I'm no expert in these things myself, but was chatting to a pal whose job this is. While it's true that smaller private aircraft lack the inbuilt redundancies, co pilots and so on that commercial stuff has, apparently the real difference is considered to be training. In other words, while you can be reasonably sure that most commercial pilots are thoroughly trained and monitored, there's nothing much to stop private aircraft being flown by anyone at all with a PPL, even if they only got it last week or are a well known drunk or risk taker

I wouldn't have thought that would be an issue with those chosen to fly the RF though ... ?

Harry also seemed to be implying that himself, M and baby A are a higher security risk now and tbh that makes sense. There's a lot of negativity about them. There's more interest in them from the US because of M.

Celebrities and indeed royals travel by scheduled planes all the time, with their children. I've not known any of them to come to harm. Plus, Harry has the benefit of taxpayer funded security officers who travel with them everywhere. But they're not good enough for them now? Is anything good enough for this pair?

Not to mention, if they really think they and their baby are at such mortal risk from travelling with the plebs, why not stay at home? What newborn appreciates being hauled around on 4 flights in under 2 weeks?

There's also the point that, if someone's going to have a go, a scheduled commercial flight would be a pretty stupid place to do it ... after all they couldn't exactly disappear afterwards could they?

Just a thought. IF H cares so much about the environment and IF he felt commercial airlines weren't safe, why didn't he just holiday in the UK and drive there? He doesn't have to holiday abroad. Lots of people don't when they have little ones anyway and surely it's a good choice if you're so worried about your carbon footprint.

Very true, Granny did invite them to
Balmoral.

This concerns me as well. He must be getting some sort of compensation; I also think MM got some as well for that baby shower as lots of brands were mentioned in the US media.

The 'baby shower' was blatant in-your-face product placement, from the hotel they were ostentatiously photographed entering and leaving (don't most high price hotels in New York have discreet entrances for their celebrity clientele?) and the branded suitcases. I suspect a lot of the clothes Meghan wears are freebies too, even though this is not allowed for royals. A lot of the organisations they promote on their Instagram are for profit companies too, most of them American.

It seems obvious that these two are using their (minor) royal status to line their pockets, which is disgraceful since they are funded by the taxpayer. I really wish Harry would renounce his royal status and head off to Los Angeles to live with his family as a private citizen. Now, he's doing what he likes with no accountability.

You know what annoys me? It's far more healthy to eat meat. Not everyone can live off beans without developing diabetes. Not only that, but extreme agricultural farming takes more land away from what it was naturally designed to do. One day we will find out it's worse for the environment, just like we found out that the dietician nonsense to eat a shit ton of carbs of the last 50 years was funded by sugar lobbies in America. But you know there are going to be social media hipsters feeling righteous like Harry trying to get meat banned and everyone put on an unhealthy processed vegan diet. Fuck all these people.

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This concerns me as well. He must be getting some sort of compensation; I also think MM got some as well for that baby shower as lots of brands were mentioned in the US media.

The 'baby shower' was blatant in-your-face product placement, from the hotel they were ostentatiously photographed entering and leaving (don't most high price hotels in New York have discreet entrances for their celebrity clientele?) and the branded suitcases. I suspect a lot of the clothes Meghan wears are freebies too, even though this is not allowed for royals. A lot of the organisations they promote on their Instagram are for profit companies too, most of them American.

It seems obvious that these two are using their (minor) royal status to line their pockets, which is disgraceful since they are funded by the taxpayer. I really wish Harry would renounce his royal status and head off to Los Angeles to live with his family as a private citizen. Now, he's doing what he likes with no accountability.

Cheers loudly, too.

That's interesting puzzled It makes sense. Sort of like the difference between having security trained by Scotland Yard and private hire bodyguards trained by a joe bloggs company.

In the case of the RF one assumes the pilots they use must be very experienced and highly vetted. I'm also wondering if a piloting licence to fly commercial also allows you to fly private jets so that it's possible they have someone whose training is of very high standard?

Absolutely, Catherine; in fact I believe it's said the SAS is the only "service" which actually makes a profit - largely from training close protection staff for the very rich

On the pilot training, there's a decent article here www.aircharter.co.uk/about-us/news-features/blog/the-ultimate-guide-to-pilot-training-in-the-uk which also explains the difference between true commercial and airline flying. We laypeople tend to use them interchangeably and it's not strictly so

And here's another which illustrates what can happen if a less-than-ideal pilot's flying: www.independent.co.uk/news/prince-gives-up-flying-royal-aircraft-after-hebrides-crash-1592247.html. You might also want to note that the regular pilot was blamed and demoted for this, because he didn't intervene (as if he'd have been allowed to )

I wasn't excusing the private flights. That was my point about the carbon offsetting being reactive. imo they should have stayed at home, worked on a better PR strategy and then went to Balmoral.

But I think H&M genuinely perceive themselves as being a higher security risk because they straddle celebrity and royalty; add to that the fact M is American and black; seems to have very difficult relationships with her family, etc, so her American advisors may evaluate her risk level differently from the rest of the Royals.

As for the product placement, I wonder if they realise it undercuts their messaging when their inspirational posts link to people/companies with products to sell.

Harry Hewitt only cares about one person, himself.

Jaguar2017 that's quite unnessesary.

Even though his embarrassing himself at least hes not causing offense like when he dressed as a Nazi.

SUE51, he does only care about himself.

I suspect that maybe true Jaguar though that is not what I was referring to.

Hazza: 'sorry Megs, looks like the 'try hards' have flown economy to balmoral, we're going to have to do the same'

Meghan: I want to fly private I won't accept less.

Hazza: ok babe, I'll tell granny we can't make it.

It irks coming from a privileged person yes

But I think H&M genuinely perceive themselves as being a higher security risk because they straddle celebrity and royalty; add to that the fact M is American and black; seems to have very difficult relationships with her family, etc, so her American advisors may evaluate her risk level differently from the rest of the Royals.

So.... her dad is going to storm an airplane, get past her highly trained security guards and kidnap her kid? Or what?

As I've said, celebrities and 'royalty' - including those much more exalted than these two - travel by commercial airlines, with their kids. And nothing whatsoever happens to them. Harry, Meghan and their 7th in line baby really aren't as special as they like to think they are.

Iced I started by saying it's their perception.