Irish border in the event of no deal

[WankeyDoodle]

Genuine question.. what happens to Irish border in the event of a no deal? Presumably it would need to be a hard border because there's no trade deal? I'm struggling to understand the difference between no back stop with a WA and a no deal border.

TIA

"Does anyone think this will lead to a United Ireland?"

Unfortunately I think this will be the end result

Does anyone think this will lead to a United Ireland? here's hoping 🤞🏾

No one’s fault but the Brexit stuff was polarised, uninformed and aggressive.

Funnily enough a little over half the country fell for it. It kinda is their fault.

Does anyone think this will lead to a United Ireland? here's hoping 🤞🏾

I fucking hope not.

I’ve yet to meet a person from the ROI, myself included, that wants to be lumbered with the UK.

And only an idiot in NI would give up the NHS, the lower cost of groceries, the lower taxes, the free schooling of NI in the UK to join with Ireland and see their take home pay halved. And then there’s the problem of unionists, and anti abortionists, and anti gay marriagers.......I could go on.

Yet again lots of people spouting shit without any real understanding of the implications.

It's looking increasingly likely that by sticking two fingers up at the EU and not giving a damn what happens to MY country, Leave voters will have unwittingly brought about the destruction of the Union.

Lumbered with NI I mean😂 Lol, maybe though people are starting to think a united Ireland could be the whole of the UK joining ROI. That would be a way around Brexit.

I don’t accept that as an English voter I had a duty to fully inform myself about Irish border issues before the referendum.

So you felt that you had no duty to the rest of the UK, of which NI is? Is that what this whole fucking mess is reduced to? In that case there doesn't deserve to be a UK because it appears plenty of people in England don't give a flying fuck about any other place in the UK besides themselves.

Some of the comments on this thread are sickening.

'Britain' is now a fucking laughing stock to the rest of the world and that's the least of its problems.

I cannot believe so many people are so fucking ignorant about their own bloody nation and on top of that, don't seem to care.

And of course, blame others, the EU, Ireland, 'Remoaners' when the SHTF.

I don't even let me son away with that and he's still a kid.

Happyspud Yet again lots of people spouting shit without any real understanding of the implications.
Don't be so obnoxious, I do hope for a united Ireland and I fully understand the implications. There are plenty of people in the Republic of Ireland (see the poll last April which put the figure at 62%) and in Northern Ireland who hope for the same thing. Stop spouting shit yourself, you clearly haven't a clue.

And only an idiot in NI would give up the NHS, the lower cost of groceries, the lower taxes, the free schooling of NI in the UK to join with Ireland and see their take home pay halved.

That writing's on the wall for all that with the Tories continuing in power.

Some light relief - after JRM made his stupid comment about Charles Stewart Parnell (C19 Irish nationalist) in the Commons today, Irish twitter users had a poll on everyone's 'favourite Irish historical hunk' - very amusing twitter.com/theirishfor/status/1168978872869806080

NI is fucked with hard border and non-EU regulations for exports. There’s barely any industry there. Farmers live from exports and lots of produce goes to the northern parts of the ROI.
Two years ago, when everyone was discussing the results of the Brexit referendum, the most astonishing thing was that barely anyone mentioned the Good Friday Agreement. It was all about Scotland but nobody even spent a second on considering the impact on the Irish border. That really shows how a badly prepared stupidity turned into a major disaster.
Any cunt blaming the Irish for defending their own interests and safety are welcome to fuck themselves sideways. They’re a proof that the Brexit is in the hands of self-serving and lying idiots.

@obligations, thanks for that. It’s always been Michael Collins for me but Michael Mallinns is catching up. John Devoy is sexy in a very rugged way, sort of like a ginger tomcat who has seen many alley battles and won them.

Amen, Eerie.

@obligations, we’ll have to disagree. And I’d take that pill with a pinch of salt.

Everyone's just all fighting among themselves, in the UK, in NI and ROI, what a cluster fuck. We all seemed to be ticking along all right until that twat Cameron put that rat in the wheat field.

@ ROI are certainly not fighting among themselves and they made their position very clear. ROI shouldn’t be dragged in into sharing responsibility for the major cluster fuckup created by the British. The complete responsibility is solely on Blow Jo.... eh, Boris Johnson and all British political parties, mainly Tories and the Labour.

ROI is pretty united about brexit/EU despite some attempts by far right groups to whip things up. It's one thing I think people generally agree is being handled well by Varadker

sorry the above comment was for @timshelthechoice

Very true, Eerie. Of course, everyone else will get the blame besides the ones who should be taking responsibility for it. You couldn't make it up.

@Metempsychosis yours was the post that reflects the utter insular moronism of the British who voted Leave just to vote Leave.
First of all, it’s the UK border we talk about. If you didn’t know of its existence before you voted than you should go back to school and get some proper education.
I know how hard our ancestors fought for democracy and the general right to vote but comments like this make me hope for IQ and general knowledge tests before someone gets to decide on important things. It would certainly avoid dumbos proclaiming ignorance as a base to vote for something.

then you should. Apologies for bad grammar.

I have, as it happens a better grasp of UK / Irish politics than most people in Britain, (probably worse than most people on the island of Ireland but that’s only natural), and I have learned more during the last couple of years because I’ve been paying attention. What I actually said was that I don’t think that I had a special duty to educate myself on what Brexit would mean for the border before voting since I wasn’t going to vote for it anyway, and there was no suggestion that it would be an improvement. Just as I didn’t need to know whether it would cause problems with radiotherapy imports to know I didn’t want it.

Similarly if I’ve already got a rear facing car seat then I don’t have to watch YouTube videos showing how unsafe forward facing ones are. If I’m not going to vote for the SWP then I don’t need to know whether they’re covering up sexual assault or whether it’s all a conspiracy against them. If I’m doing the Watson test then I don’t have to turn over the red card.

However since you’re keen to enlighten me, can you please explain what the deal is with “it’s not the Irish border”? If a Belgian drives from Mons to Cologne then she crosses the German border. If a German drives from Cologne to Mons then she crosses the Belgian border. Surely if a UK resident (who holds the UK majority opinion that the UK of GB and NI is a single legitimate sovereign state) drives from Belfast to Dublin then she crosses the Irish border?

Obviously people who don’t hold that political opinion don’t believe that that line is the border between Ireland and the UK. But surely believing that that is the UK/Ireland border, (and hence, from the UK perspective “the Irish border”) might be something you disagree with politically, but it isn’t simply an ignorant mistake is it? Or am I missing something because so many Irish people seem to be implying it’s a sign of ignorance? Happy to be enlightened if I’m missing a nuance. I’m a firm remainder who believes that the people of the island of Ireland have been unreasonably stitched up by the entire Brexit shitshow.

@Metempsychosis it’s not an Irish border because it’s Ireland, the border was all of UK’s making.
It’s a border caused by Britain trying to hang on to their Empire that started unraveling after the WWI, just like other empires. The resulting bloodshed that’s been only contained by the Good Friday Agreement but never completely done away with is like ambers waiting for some kindling. No deal and the ignorance of the British (or deliberate obstinacy by your political leaders) is that kindling. I for one don’t think that the likes of Johnson or Farage or Cummings or mind you Corbyn even have a sleepless minute thinking about how many lives it will cost again. They might be even looking forward to it as they can use dead bodies as ammunition for their politics.

I am still so fucking angry about this! I honestly didn’t think it was possible to retain this level of sheer fury for three years plus but I was wrong. This is just the most important of a number of reasons why such a complex issue with lives literally at stake should never have been the subject of a referendum. Fucksake, at least half the politicians tasked with making this work don’t know how our respective countries work or understand the consequences of fucking up the GFA so what chance did the electorate have?

Ireland, I’m so sorry my stupid, hubristic, bloatedly self-important country is doing this to you...and to itself.