To think that sacking the Chancellor's media adviser is illegal (just one more reason to despise this Government)

[Livingtothefull]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sajid-javid-dominic-cummings-fires-special-adviser-johnson-brexit-sonia-khan-a9085056.html

I am a line manager and mere mortals like us have to handle a dismissal in an appropriate way:
Invite the individual to a meeting in line with company policy;
Let them know beforehand that dismissal is a possible outcome (though never a foregone conclusion);
Allow them a companion to the meeting;
Let the individual have his/her say and consider this before reaching decision;
If we dismiss, explain the grounds for the dismissal (conduct, capability or whatever);
Allow them the right to appeal the dismissal.

It looks as though none of this was done here; apparently the Government is arrogant and high handed enough to think the law and good practice don't apply to them only the rest of us.

If she has more than 2 years service she has a lot of rights, and may choose to take this to an employment tribunal; in which case she will probably win. And guess whose money will have to be used to compensate her?

^She's a Tory, so obviously not a good person "
Nice.

Even in gross misconduct cases, HR need to be involved and your own manager should be at least aware of what’s happening.

Cummings can’t hold a trial and deliver the verdict unilaterally with no witnesses. Kahn is going to be awarded a fat tax payer funded settlement for this.

She's a Tory, so obviously not a good person

Being a Tory doesn’t make you a bad person ffs. You don’t sound very nice yourself with that attitude tbh.

I think the second half of the title explains all we need to know about the OP.

So just dismiss a legitimate concern because you don’t like OP’s thread title or politics @Ligresa?

For instance civil servants can be fired/let go with a change of government even when they’ve done nothing wrong

This is not true at all.

It sounds like the most unhealthily toxic workplace environment. Imagine working there. People will be back stabbing left and right to save themselves or avoid the attention of the bully. It must be awful to go to sleep on a Sunday night knowing you have to be there for the next 5 days.

I also read he holds meetings at 7.55am which would mainly discriminate against working mothers, as you can’t get child care early enough to make those meetings. Although driving them out is probably the intention.

He's a real peach, isn't he?
And that's the person running our country.

He sounds utterly horrendous.

But this morning one of the redtops is carrying a story along the lines that Johnson will prevent any Tory MPs who vote against the government next week will be banned from standing for the party at the next GE, so they're clearly shitting their collective pants and lashing out at anyone who might hinder Project No Deal.

I’m actually proud of my, previously much despised, Tory MP this morning. He’s going to vote against no deal or against Boris in a no confidence vote. He’s massively wealthy and I suspect sick of being an MP so doesn’t care. There are probably quite a few like him.

OP, you sound horrible from your posts, but, ok.

It is likely that she will have signed an agreement under the Official Secrets Act in her role. Therefore, her leak of government business is also a criminal offence as well as gross misconduct. Definitely leaving with police escort territory.

And potential prosecution.

Cummings has totally undermined and emasculated Javid in sacking his advisor without his knowledge.

He's power crazy and dangerous.

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At a weekly gathering of special advisers in Downing Street on Friday evening, Mr Cummings was queried on Ms Khan’s dismissal and pay rates for officials. According to several individuals in the room, he responded, “if you don’t like how I run things, there’s the door”, adding that critics could “fk off”

her leak of government business

There is no evidence that she leaked anything.

I also read he holds meetings at 7.55am which would mainly discriminate against working mothers, as you can’t get child care early enough to make those meetings.

My workplace has 8am meetings, I have this thing called a partner and fortunately he doesn't believe childcare is my sole responsibility purely because I am a woman.

Oops accidentally pasted a load of gumf there from the FT, sorry!

Stupid thing is, she is a Brexiteer, so why would she leak to help Remain?

She's not got continuity of service, she was at the TPA before she joined Hammond's staff.

Cummings is a sociopath. He's a dangerous man, as are many that Johnson surrounds himself with. But Khan actively supported the policy that meant she could be sacked without redress. I guess she never considered it might be her in the firing line.

I'd focus more on the many people who are (in lay terms) unfairly dismissed, but have no recourse because of Tory policy.

Here’s what that bastion of Tory politics reports.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/30/sajid-javid-boris-johnson-spectacular-falling-sonia-khan-sacking/

@pennypineapple, not every mother has a partner.

Fine. You can think I am horrible all you like on the basis of this thread alone and knowing nothing else about me, I don't care.

I have seen the dire impact of Tory policy at first hand over the last few years, affecting many people close to me including members of my own family. People have died as a direct result of Tory policy and their actions - so no I don't have a lot of time for anyone who has knowingly supported this. I don't think it is wrong to be furious about that so don't care if that makes me 'not very nice'.

OK I accept that I don't know Ms Khan personally and don't know for certain what she is like - so retract the statement that she is 'obviously not a good person' maybe I went too far. But I find it impossible to understand how a decent human being would have wanted to be part of the government over the past few years. Maybe you can explain it to me?

That said I think that even the most unpleasant people (again, not saying Ms Khan is one) deserve to be treated fairly by their employers.

OP you don't sound horrible at all. Ignore the weirdo.

If she had had her pass confiscated she would have had to be escorted off Downong Street by the police though, as she didn't have a pass anymore!

The only time I have ever know anyone to be escorted from a civil service building in that manner was a colleague who had made threats to other staff and brandished a knife at them.

Thank you MaxNormal.

Yeah, I'm not up for saying someone must be a bad person just because they're a Tory.

I don't have a high opinion of anyone with Khan's CV, but that's not the same thing.

And frankly, even if she kicked puppies in her spare time, as said above, the law is not just for nice people. It's to protect everyone – including the civil servants who haven't yet been sacked by Cummings but are feeling threatened.

Cross-posted w you, Livingtothefull.

Cummings is a horrific character. Boris Johnson is a terrible PM and we're headed for no deal. How can he suspend parliament? He wasn't even fucking elected.

Apparently Cummings also said to other special advisors that if they didn't like his style they could "fuck off".