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Family in law/pass the baby

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Hundredsandthousands2019 · 29/08/2019 21:41

Honest opinions needed…

My partner is half Spanish and we’ve been together for 10 years. Last year we had a LO. I wouldn’t say I’ve ever had an easy relationship with his parents (particularly his mum), but since having LO things have become very difficult and tense.

Some examples being – when we told his parents we were having baby the reaction was happy but very quickly the conversation turned to child-rearing and how important it is not to shout at children/how childhood trauma lasts a lifetime etc. The importance of paternal parents access to the grandchildren was also been hinted at lots. Through pregnancy MIL didn’t show much interest in talking about LO or my wellbeing.

Since LO has been born they’ve been to visit lots of times (including staying nearby for a week 3 days after she was born). Each visit has been stressful. I may have high expectations – but it has always seemed that they are just coming to see the LO and not at all interested in me. I feel a little like an incubator! When our LO was 2mo they visited and told us how upset they were by our choice of surname for the LO (we double-barrelled and took my MIL’s maiden name as my partner’s contribution). Their most recent visit my MIL spent 20 minutes crying in the bathroom because my partner asked her (abruptly) to speak English at the table (I don’t speak Spanish).

So most recently we went to Spain to visit family. MIL and FIL were also there. It is probably a big cultural clash – but there was an expectation to play pass the baby. LO is 8mo and clingy and I’ve never been keen on passing her around. There were lots of comments from MIL and partner’s aunty insinuating they should be feeding her/putting her down for a nap (no easy task!)/changing her etc. They also crowd around LO and are very intense. There’s constant stroking/squeezing/photos being taken/being all in her face. I find it so difficult watching people be like that with her. My partner finds it really difficult and says it reminds him of when he was little and desperately trying to get away from his aunty smothering him. It’s obviously all out of love, but it’s a bit suffocating and I find it disrespectful of my LO’s space. Another example is that if one of us is holding our LO they will always be trying to take her from us. And if one of them is holding the LO it is difficult to get her back, there’s a lot of hesitation.

My partner got very annoyed one day and snapped at his mum to stop interfering with LO so much, just to let her play. To which his aunty got involved and said ‘the one time she gets to see the LO and you’re like this’. My MIL ended up leaving the room in tears and stayed in her bedroom the rest of the evening.

The next day things became very heated - they all ended up in tears, my partner was pinned against the wall and was accused of breaking the family apart. The message from his family was that we are being uptight, that the LO is everyone’s equal responsibility so they should have unlimited access, that we are guests in their home so they should be able to behave how they like, that it is done out of love so shouldn’t be a problem. They absolutely refused to see the point (please give the LO some space) and respect it.

Are we being mental? What does anyone think about any of these points? I’ve well and truly rambled - sorry

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Sexnotgender · 29/08/2019 21:43

They sound horribly intense and overbearing. I’d hate it too.

BeanBag7 · 29/08/2019 21:48

Your MIL sounds like right drama queen, crying in the bedroom all evening how ridiculous.

I wouldnt have a problem with letting someone else offer to feed/change the baby but you know your child and what they will cope with. Its probably more difficult because you see them very infrequently and then all at once so it's much more intense than going to visit Auntie once a fortnight locally.

blahblahblahblahhh · 29/08/2019 21:52

Stop visiting them, then they might respect you if they want to see baby

Mum2jenny · 29/08/2019 22:01

Little ones can be very clingy at 8 months so they should understand that and give you and her some space. Once she’s had a good sleep and is not tired she maybe less clingy, you could let them play with her a bit or change her. However they can really be a pain to change at that age as they squirm a lot. Good luck putting up with it Wine

justbeingadad · 29/08/2019 22:03

Sounds awful, but it also sounds pretty standard from my extremely limited knowledge of Spanish culture. I guess you csnt expect to have a baby half in that culture and dismiss it, ultimately it was your choice to have a child half in this culture you don't like so......

GabriellaMontez · 29/08/2019 22:08

I don't know what spanish culture is like in this regard. Probably different from one home to the next just like here.

But I've never felt the need to do or not do something based on culture. Many people choose not to adhere to culture or tradition. It's not compulsory.

They sound overbearing.

Barbarafromblackpool · 29/08/2019 22:09

Sounds a bit much and I'd have zero time for anyone treating/speaking to me like that to the extent that I wouldn't go.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 29/08/2019 22:11

That sounds awful OP

I dont know if its cultural or just his family but sounds way over the top, however your partner is from that culture and he is clearly not comfortable with it either!

It sounds manipulative - do as I say or you will break the family apart, crying when doesnt get her own way etc

If you visit could you stay somewhere else?

It will probably get easier as your baby gets older and less able to be 'passed around' and able to give a clear preference for who they want to do bedtime etc

My in laws are from another European country and dont behave like this in the slightest, intact I would sometimes like them to show more interest.

SeaToSki · 29/08/2019 22:11

The pinning OH against the wall would be a deal breaker for me. I would be packing to leave just on that basis.

thecatinthetwat · 29/08/2019 22:12

Erm, don't go back? What does DH say? He still remembers being overwhelmed and uncomfortable with this behaviour as a child, surely he doesn't want to take LO back?

If your attempt at getting people to give your baby some space, is met with mil spending all night sulking in the loo and your DH being pinned against a wall, then surely don't go back.

Or go, stay in a hotel and arrange separate visits with different relatives each day as a sort of compromise.?

Howlovely · 29/08/2019 22:13

They don't seem to understand that they are strangers to your baby and suddenly having a load of strangers flapping and shrieking in her face whilst playing tug of war with her is not that comforting for an 8 month old.
Your mother in law sounds like she turns on the tear taps to get her own way and so it may take some careful treading or your partner could end up punched if he has already been pinned against the wall. I think the only thing you can do is make it clear that x=y. So, if you calm down and respect the way we do things then of course you can spend more time with the baby. However, if you carry on then we won't be seeing you for a long time. Then it's up to her to choose. She sounds like a nightmare to be honest.

MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 29/08/2019 22:20

Well, it is a cultural thing in a way, Spanish MILs (not all, but many) are like that- overpotective of their sons, overprotective off their grandchildren.

Missingstreetlife · 29/08/2019 22:21

Totally off the point but you would be in a better position if you spoke Spanish, dp should speak it to dc so they are bilingual. That's a real gift and a shame not to. Inlaws are mad, but that's not unusual!

AnneLovesGilbert · 29/08/2019 22:25

It’s good you and your partner are on the same page. I wouldn’t choose to spend any time with people who refused to give my baby back to me. Never mind the rest of it! What does your partner say about future visits? I’d say they’ve made it clear that when you’re their guests they treat you as the parents with no respect at all so knock that on the head and don’t stay there again. He’s informed in his views by his memories of feeling stifled as a child by his relatives and doesn't want that for your daughter. He’s right and you two should have a proper discussion about how you both want to proceed in future. MIL sounds like a manipulative nightmare. She’s had her kids and that was her chance to parent her way and this is yours. Stuff like her name is entirely your business and they’re being interfering and ridiculous to criticise you for it. Overall the lot of them sound disrespectful, aggressive, bullying and a bit mad so I’d count your blessings you live in different countries and see them as little as possible. Certainly no hosting them or staying there. Making sure they remember you are your daughters’ only parents and they have to play by your rules to have a relationship with her. “Culture” is always a bull shit excuse for unacceptable behaviour and you’re right to draw your own red lines and stick to them. It’s not the two of you breaking up the family ffs so don’t get stuck trying to pander to blackmail. Your child is a person, not a doll.

gingerbiscuits · 29/08/2019 22:31

It would have been a case of, "See ya! Not coming again!" from me - followed by a sharp exit home. Wouldn't go again & would massively restructure their access & always insist on it being on home turf & supervised!!

coffeeandpyjamas · 29/08/2019 22:32

Honestly? Go low/no contact and be done with their unacceptable, disrespectful behaviour. Don’t see them, don’t engage with them, just repeat that until they can behave appropriately around your child and respect your parenting, you won’t be seeing them.

gingerbiscuits · 29/08/2019 22:32

*restrict - not restructure!! 😂

cranstonmanor · 29/08/2019 22:37

They're ignoring you, they're agressive towards your husband and they are making your child uncomfortable. Why are these people in your lives?

Csleeptime · 29/08/2019 22:38

Wow that sounds miserable. Don't go visit again. Personally I would have a frank conversation with them telling them for a fact that it's your and your dh way or they don't see her at all. She is your child and not to be passed around and needs her space. The DH pinning against a wall situation is a simple one, whoever did thay, don't see them again. You don't want your daughter brought up in thay environment.

LaBelleSauvage · 29/08/2019 22:42

Has your MIL been to the Sistine Chapel?

Hundredsandthousands2019 · 29/08/2019 22:45

Thanks for all the replies. I think we've doubted ourselves a lot and it's only recently that we've started looking at things and questioning how they are. I should clarify though - the pinning against the wall was a collective thing. My partner had about 3 relatives crowd him into the wall, shouting hysterically, stopping him from leaving - in case people were imagining he was pinned by his neck

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KTheGrey · 29/08/2019 22:47

Pinned against a wall? They think that is a reasonable way to negotiate more time cuddling the baby? Er, no.

Thehop · 29/08/2019 22:50

Cut back from them. Your poor little family.

Csleeptime · 29/08/2019 22:53

Don't think 3 blocking him and yelling makes it better. Insane

Jemima232 · 29/08/2019 22:59

Bloody hell. So three against one in the pinning-against-the-wall scenario.

It sounds awful OP.

Can you just pack up and go? I would.

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