To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

One thing we can be quite sure about - democracy is alive and well in the UK. Everyone has had their say, up and down the land.

The press, courts, parliaments, kitchen tables and in every pub and taxi in the country. All over the world people know about Brexit, even areas you would not imagine would care.

The conclusion and final chapter is drawing to a close. Feelings will run high, of course, and if people wish to protest they can. Ultimately we are in the final straight, the last leg.

Keep calm, show compassion for those with different views - we are all made up of our experiences. Most of us have made our decision with the best of intentions, even if you disagree with them. Life goes on, and so we embrace the future. We are British we have weathered far worse.
Time to show the world what we are made of, you can have very differing views peacefully, we are blazing a light for democracy even if most are not aware of it. The world is watching.

JudgeJudy
Nice thoughtful Post. I voted remain (although I had no strong feelings either way) and have long accepted the result.
We need to leave and then start to rebuild.

The conclusion and final chapter is drawing to a close

I disagree. This will drag on for years and years to come. I don't understand how people can't see that.

‘We are British’😂😂😂😂

Did those that voted for this seriously not know we will have generations of shite ahead of us before these supposed golden days. Even the oldies in my family who voted leave knew that.As they knew they wouldn’t be weathering the storm it didn’t concern them.

One thing we can be quite sure about - democracy is alive and well in the UK. Everyone has had their say, up and down the land..

I don't believe this for an instant. If anything, it's thrown into stark relief just how unfit for purpose, nepotistic and undemocratic the UK constitution really is, and illustrates a desperate need for change. And that change needs to start with the hereditary principle, putting in place an elected Head of State and an entirely democratically-elected upper house. Events of the last two days have amply proven that Elizabeth II is nothing more than a rubber-stamping exercise. In which case, what's the point of her? Added to this is also the issue that she ostensibly has no power, but our elected PM meets with her on a weekly basis and is thus subject to her significant influence. The contents of these meetings, you and I are not allowed to know. How in anyone's universe is this 'democratic?'

A PM took this country to a damaging and divisive referendum on a whim. A further PM has suspended parliament in a shifty, underhand effort to stop, or at least derail, due democratic process. There simply should not be such options available in any society that masquerades as a democracy.

Of course, it can work the other way. An example is Obama's [commendable] efforts to bring in gun control, which were blocked by the senate. They then simply couldn't go ahead: it was as simple as that. And in this instance the outcome was undesirable, but that is true democracy in action.

Here, the Lords can block a motion three times before Parliament has the power of veto and can bulldoze it past them anyway.

The notion that the media, taxi-drivers, chattering neighbours, expressers-of opinions at pub tables, etc are evidence of a democratic process is just plain bizarre. What I will say is that a free press (the UK press is heavily censored by the likes of the Windsors, who won't print non-positive accounts of them unless the news is already out there on a global basis) is essential to any society which has pretensions to being a democracy. A monarchy, an unelected upper house and a huge lack of electoral accountability in many of its ruling echelons, isn't.

I think we are in serious trouble as a nation because of that nob Cameron. Apparently before the referendum the EU was a top concern for 4% of people. Look at the mess we're in now because he was scared of losing a couple of seats. I think we're facing riots (and worse) whichever way this goes. People must be fuming in Scotland after being told the only way to secure EU membership was to vote to remain in the UK. And Brexit, even with a deal, is not good for the peace in NI.

The Remain side has youth on it's side, young people are more likely to riot than old. The Leave side have all the violent racist groups on their side though and so are also very likely to riot if they don't get what they want. This is backed up by the evidence of past Brexit demonstrations. Remain marches have had much greater numbers with very little violence. Whereas the Leave demonstrations have had much lower numbers but many more arrests. Counter demonstrations are real hot spots and I think that's were the problems lie most, we won't be fighting the state, we'll be fighting each other.

David Cameron was a fucking twat calling that referendum.

Democracy is indeed alive and well and I agree with the comment above that we need to show compassion for each other. We need more humility and much less of - I am always 100% righta nd everyone else is a fool. We need to see other people's points of view and treat others with kindness. We need to come together with love not fall apart and fight.

I voted remain and I did not want Cameron to hold a referendum. I don't really think they are useful and like John Major I didn't even agree Scotland should have one. However we are where we are and are very likely to leave at the end of October hopefully with MPs agreeing the withdrawal agreement but if not I believe we will still leave.

I think we are in serious trouble as a nation because of that nob Cameron

The rot had set in under Blair and Labour's "rub the noses of the right" mentality towards not limiting the numbers from newly joined Eastern European countries like other long term members did.

Lifelong Labour voters were turning away from Labour towards UKIP.

It wasn't just Cameron, it was the Metroplitan Elite MPs of all parties over 10/20 years that turned huge swathes of the country against their traditional political parties.

But Xenia you are in pound seats so you can say all that- rich, privately educated kids all doing well....

It’s very easy to be sweet and forgiving when you wont suffer.

And actually Brexit has showed reality to half the country- the UK isn’t what we thought it was and Xenophbia and selfishness is rife. Many of us don’t want to be here now.A lack of love and kindness got us into this mess and frankly you reap what you sow.

I agree with the comment above that we need to show compassion for each other.

Nope. I have no compassion for or patience with rank stupidity, nepotism, insularity, or narrow-mindedness. And nor do I make any apology for the fact.

As for 'democracy' [snort] it's been amply proven in the days since the referendum that the country didn't know precisely what it was we were voting for (how could we? as apparently the politicians didn't), that the goalposts have been significantly shifted since, and that the potential ramifications of a leave vote had not been sufficiently anticipated or thought through. And in the hindsight of these hardly surprising revelations, a significant proportion of those who voted 'leave' (incidentally a mere 4% differentiation meant that almost half of voters voted to remain) now say they would vote 'remain'.

The only properly democratic response to such a set of circumstances would be a second referendum. And we all know why that wouldn't happen, and which supposedly 'democratic structures would prevent it from happening, don't we?

A lot of what is driving this is hatred of women and minorities, though. the flag-shagging fantasists going on about the good old days mean the days when women were property and foreigners were servants, and white men could stake claims to other countries and basically exploit and enslave the people living there. That's what these fuckers want back, because they are mediocre losers who feel entitled to 'respect' from women and minorities by virtue of their white skin and dicks.

Excellent posts Mariel

Bunch We can define ourselves by fixed views, or we can appreciate difference of opinion. Are we all very extreme on either side? I doubt it, most of us are in the middle somewhere understanding both sides actually. The debate has become entrenched due to a lack of cross party consensus at the beginning. Hindsight however is a wonderful thing!

I am now of the view, we simply need to move on and can not be held in this holding pen any longer. Yes it may not be in the way everyone agrees or wants, but hopefully there will be some middle ground that most can live with.

Marie Please look at the meaning of democracy in the dictionary and then consider your views more carefully.

Kenn The referendum should have been called ten years ago, when it was obvious that the trading bloc agreed in the 1970's was morphing into a political institution. It has been long overdue, and has become more and more divisive. David Cameron had no choice but to offer the referendum, and this was agreed by none other than the LIB DEMS I may add, whom considered it to be a democratic decision, although no one mentions that these days do they. I don't doubt the referendum option, however I am not sure anyone entirely expected the answer.

Moo I don't think you can assume anyone's financial position on a forum of all things.

Kazzy I agree the rot set in decades before, under both governments, it is hard to find a more anti EU party than the Corbyn led hard left that detested the corruption of the EU. Back then, the Tories were very pro EU.

We may never agree on the best course of action come November, but we should find a way forward. It is not good enough as an advanced civilised country to simply allow such pointless division to continue.

We need to move forward at some point. With some hope, there may be a deal that will satisfy most of us, to some degree, it was never going to be pretty, but I do feel it needed to be settled at some point in our history. Now is as good a time as any. Remember that we decide the future, so if we wish to rejoin at some future date, then we can. Life can sometimes lead us in different ways, but it always works in cycles. Lets see where it leads, and know that we have the power to change it one way, we also have the power to change in another direction in the not so distant future.

It's all good.

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Marie Please look at the meaning of democracy in the dictionary and then consider your views more carefully.

@JudgeJudyisMyInspiration - I've clearly outlined why a nepotistic system and lack of equality under such a system is a wild disparity from the dictionary definition of 'democracy'. You don't have to take my word for it. You can look it up.

It's you, it seems, who are unfamiliar with your Plato. At the very Ieast, I'd recommend you consult an up-to-date OED.

It’s very easy to be sweet and forgiving when you wont suffer.

Yup. I'm currently 'living' on £6.5k a year in disability benefits. Constantly harassed by the DWP in case I get 'better'. I haven't seen much compassion from politicians of any stripe in the last ten years.

weezol Lets hope for you that going forward much more time and energy will be spent looking after your needs, rather than squabbling over brexit.

I'm with you Reanimated....white, male priveledge must be protected according to the elite.

And yes we can and do have Riots in the UK.
Redtoothbrush you sound as if you are looking forward to riots. Hope they don’t take place in your home town.

The way people throw around the word riot, is very dangerous, and they are usually people that have no experience of them.

Working in London during the last riots of London was utterly terrifying. Running battled and war scenes. Do I think anyone would want that in their city or town as they push their prams to the park. No I certainly don't.

Calling for civil unrest is beyond the pale. You need to stop. You are not immune. If it is your child/husband/loved one that is killed due to your encouragement, you will have to live with that burden. Think before you post.

Suzeyshoes- hi. I share your love for the NHS and agree with your list of requirements for happiness. My point is that we need to get over the fact that the vote didn’t go our way and change mind sets to work towards securing all of these requirements. Rather than doom and gloomy predictions with feet-up moans put our combined effort into getting the best out of this huge national challenge.

edtoothbrush you sound as if you are looking forward to riots

Its a statement of fact...its a real stretch to try and make that very basic statement into something other than what it is

democracy is alive and well in the UK.
The UK deliberately prevented those of its citizens who had entirely legally chosen to settle in EU states from voting in the referendum even though they were clearly going to be very directly affected by the outcome. It reneged on its promise to change the cut-off point for voting.
The voting age was also not set at a level that would have allowed those whose lives will be majorly concerned by Brexit to participate.
The devolved administrations were excluded from all talks on how to proceed after the result, despite the obvious issues.
The GFA is likely to be trampled underfoot, as predicted by many before the referendum.
Lies were told and believed.
SM interference by the likes of Cambridge Analytica has not been sufficiently probed for fear of what would be revealed.
Judges have been held up as traitors on front pages of newspapers for upholding the rule of law.

Democracy is definitely not alive and well in the UK.

The country was hobbling along with a huge range of problems (the shaky union, a fragile peace in NI, N-S divide, austerity, inequality, tax evasion, an out of control gutter press, reduced workers' rights, a looming environmental disaster, a housing crisis, a buggered infrastructure and struggling NHS...the list goes on) and then David Cameron saw fit to throw a lighted match into the whole sorry bonfire before withdrawing, whistling gently, to his shed to watch it burn.

Democracy will take a long, long time to recover from this however nicely people smile at one another.

Why are people trying to delay Brexit.

We are leaving and trying to change that is just wasting everyone's time. It is like a divorce where one party won't let go. The only people to be happy about this are the solicitors.

As for riots the day after 31st October. Not unless the 1st November is a brilliantly sunny and warm as day

It would be a bit like the climate change protesters blocking Oxford Street on a cold miserable Saturday in January.

Never going to happen

Someone commented upthread that if you are taking insulin then you must stockpile.

How?

DP gets the bare minimum unless he misses an injection each day and makes himself ill how do you stockpile.

I want to know if they have been rationing insulin for some time where has all the excess gone.

They can't have it both ways. Ration insulin to the bare minimum (so one would presume there is a stockpile) then when there is no supply turn round and say there is no stockpile.

Those who have friends in the industry who say that people will die through lack of insulin can they answer where is the insulin going ATM because it isn't coming to the diabetics

Why are people trying to delay Brexit

Because it signals a constitutional crisis and is the most disastrous, divisive thing to have happened to Britain, probably since the General Strikes.