To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

voters have not had an opportunity to be consulted on terms.

Alexalee You know that imports by air fall under EU rulings? That air fuel is vastly more expensive than diesel? That there are a limited number of cargo planes, crews qualified to load/fly them, limited slots and aprons for take off and landing? Limited warehousing and fork lifts at airports for customs checks, refrigeration, storage and freight forwarding?

Go read up on 'just-in-time' stock controls, European and international air/maritime regulation because you are coming across as a total fool.

I voted Leave*, but I'd rather to revoke and remain than go out without a deal.

• Because I spent years trying to follow the money in the European Parliament and had to work with some astonishingly idiotic policies handed down post EU formation, some of which exacerbated extreme poverty in West Africa. Like second hand bicycles being placed in the same category as nuclear waste for export to Africa. Like agressive demands made to Rwanda with threats of punative measures for poor legislative compliance during a fucking civil war. That kind of thing.

The EU gave zero shits that stevedores on the docks in West Africa couldn't touch imports until the freighter cap had paid the nice men with the AK47's a cash 'bonus' for each container.

The EU is happy to dump toxic waste in Africa and India in order to allow those countries a slice of the EU pie. The rich get richer, the poor get sicker but hey, at least there's none of those nasty carcinogens in Europe!

The Eurozone has been a disaster. The countries signed up to it have been shattered. Portugal, Italy, Ireland and Spain are dangerously close to the edge that Greece went over. The German economy is struggling and Germany will need to call in the loans they made to these countries after the 2008 crash. It will get messy.

We were doing ok before we joined the EU...

Really? i seem to recall a car and motorcycle industry in decline, designs based on pre war, as was ship building and the height of dining was a Spag bol, the swinging 60s was a London thing.

Our rivers and seas were polluted too.

We've done pretty well out of EU membership, unfortunately govt's didn't distribute the wealth evenly.

I hope will continue to do better, time will out.

What’s wrong with eating fish and chips on the Costa Del Sol? Nice bit of stereotyping there.

I was responding to the previous poster's rather disparaging, sterotyping comments about "expats". Although if you don't see what's a little strange about moving to Spain to then eat fish and chips, I am probably not best placed to help...

We weren't doing that well before we joined the EU. Industry and infrastructure were in decline, education/training had long been underfunded and poorly thought-out with a private-school bias, and the UK was lucky that its EU membership meant that structuring its economy so much around finance and services was tenable. Which it will not be post-Brexit.

Compared to some other EU countries, the UK has regularly pissed money up the wall. Not investing post-WW2 aid in infrastructure, for instance, or Thatcher choosing to spend North Sea oil revenues on tax breaks rather than industry, health, education, vocational training, etc.

Saying "let's get on with it" is like a condemned prisoner hoping the firing squad will shoot soon.

@ilovemyskunks What part of it was patronising? My original post was a shout out to no dealers to understand how they can be ok with drug shortages 'if' they were to happen. I specifically asked people not to reply if it was to repeat the usual 'project fear' comments because the reality is that they probably will and I want to get my head round the thinking that justifies this.
Of course, the majority of the responses I received were along the lines of 'project fear' and I think I have every right to question the thinking behind them. For my part, I think its pretty damn rude for people to say that drug shortages are not going to happen in all confidence when they don't understand the supply chain processes. I don't know everything, neither does my husband but he is an expert and therefore knows more than others, as do the BMJ and BMA and pretty much the whole of the British medical world. To cast off thousands of expert opinions is bloody arrogant.

It's unbearable. Britain is revealed as a poorly educated, propaganda swilling, dumbed down to the dregs, country that is ripe for the Right and by the looks of things we are heading towards disaster. The fuckwits who think no deal is a good thing will be the first (and only) people to suffer, is my fervent prayer.

I really don’t see what’s wrong with eating fish and chips in Spain. No different to people moving here from different countries and still eating cuisine from their country of birth. Oh, but I see. When it’s working-class British people who do this type of thing it’s OK for you to slag them off.

The reason they have put the backstop in the deal is to ensure we will not accept a deal, and they have been waiting for parliament to revoke rather than leave without a deal.

They now realise we are serious about leaving, with any luck someone with half a brain in the eu will now turn around and tell someone to negotiate properly and not just try to tie the UK to the eu permanently by forcing us into revoking or by requiring the backstop and then taking 20+ years to negotiate a trade deal.

Absolutely baffling illogic. Who do you think will be worse off under no deal - the EU with a remaining internal market of 27 plus countless trade deals with countries around the world negotiated from its position of strength as the world's most powerful trading bloc, or the UK which loses all of its trading arrangements overnight (other than the 3 or 4 that the masterful Liam Fox has managed to roll over) and then has to negotiate from an incredibly weak position?

No deal is not great for the EU but they are better prepared for it and it will be far less damaging to them than us.

I agree that the riots will start when the people expecting everything to be fiiiiine (I don't think even the most ardent leavers believe in the sunlit uplands any more) realise the actual consequences of what we have just deliberately plunged ourselves into.

This is an interesting read.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/29/search-median-voter-brexit

On the issue of "we should just get used to living the way our grandparents did..." I think many people have a rose-tinted view of the past. Many people forget how appalling the situation was during our grandparents' era for people with disabilities, people with mental health problems etc. You might say, "Oh, but things are different now!" but the reality is that if the economy takes a large hit, the most vulnerable groups will be the ones to suffer.

I don't believe I said that anyone eating fish and chips beyond the confines of the UK was working class, did I?
Is eating fish and chips working class now?
I thought it was pretty standard takeaway fare for everyone in the UK.
Certainly is where I was born and brought up, though I admit Rees-Mogg and his ilk probably don't lower themselves to such things.

And I notice you ignored the stockbrokers in the Dordogne, who are clearly not working class. They didn't fit your argument, though.

Yes, I mentioned stereotypes, in order to point out that they are incorrect.

Feel free to ignore all the rest of what I wrote if it suits you, and focus on your misreading of my remarks.

I don’t like to be dramatic but if someone asked me, I’d tell them to emigrate if they can and if they can’t, stockpile. Remember the KFC riots? People are not going to be happy if their local Sainsbo has no food in it. Boris is talking a lot of nonsense about not being liable for divorce costs when the U.K. crashes out so the EU will be forced to take a tough stance.

Even if nothing dramatic happens on the 1st of November, we are looking at a gradual decline at best. So like I said (in particular to EU citizens who frankly no one knows where they stand), get out and find work elsewhere if you can.

Mobile foreigners and also U.K. people are starting to leave. It’s not scaremongering; it’s fact. We packed up literally last week. Friends who are making preparations to leave include two doctors (A&E and cardiology) and a very gifted software developer. I’m sure the door won’t swing shut on our arses as we leave as plenty more are on their way behind us. I’m posting this because I want people to realise that this stuff has consequences. I don’t want the U.K. to go down the drain. I have lots of friends there, I went to university there and laid the foundations of my career there too. But this, coupled with the recession that is heading everyone’s way anyway, is going to knock people for six.

We can't live the way our grandparents did. The world has changed so irrevocably, it's unrealistic to think we could, even if we wanted to return to rickets, TB, childhood mortality, limited human rights and gender equality, ingrained homophobia, almost zero mental health care and all the other myriad joys that would bring.

AuldAliiance I have never met a stockbroker, never mind know where they retire to and what they eat, which I why I didn’t reference it. I still maintain you are a hypocrite. You would slate anyone who came on here criticising anyone who wasn’t white eating non-British food in public places. And rightly so. Yet it’s OK for you to have a cheap joke at the Brits aboard. Let’s be honest, you’re not mocking the middle-classes for eating fish and chips in Benidorm and it’s dishonest of you to suggest otherwise. The majority of those people will be decent and pleasant and just enjoying eating whatever they want in a well earned holiday. But you, being a total snob think it’s OK to laugh at them.

The issue wasn't, by any stretch of an overactive imagination, people going on a well-earned holiday to Spain.

My post clearly replied to a rather unpleasant one suggesting that UK citizens who benefited from FOM to settle in EU countries were all thick and couldn't speak foreign languages because clever people migrate to the US/NZ/Australia where they can speak English and earn lots of money.
I was countering all of that and quoting clichés, not endorsing them. Should have used inverted commas.

I hope that is clear now.

Of course that’s what you meant...

I think that if there are shortages there will be riots.
But a recession is very likely I think.

I hope the Queen does step in and stop it but I really don't know how likely that is.

Oh and to the people going on about it was voted for, well think on this, it wasn't even the majority of the country that voted for it!

Of course that’s what you meant...
Did you read what I wrote? I quoted two clichés often referred to, and said most UK citizens living in France were entirely unlike such stereotypes.

The fact that you have never met a stockbroker and do not know what they eat, whereas you may, apparently, know some people who go on holiday in Benidorm, is quite irrelevant to the question of whether many UK citizens who benefited from FOM and moved to the EU are working in the EU and have mustered up the apparently tricky ability to learn a foreign language, which is what was raised by the post I responded to.

How on earth can people be so short sited. Leaving the EU is an act of self harm that will.will . lower life outcomes dramatically. Those "angry leavers" are inevitably angry about matters unrelated to the EU and in the full control of the UK government. They object to being called thick but rely on feelings and rose tinted imaginings of the past as opposed to thinking - words fail!

You were being a terrible snob and making cheap points, reverting to rubbish stereotypes.

*sighted - duh!

There were 17m leavers and perhaps more (or fewer) now so we cannot really generalise about all of them (I voted remain). We are where we are and we are probably leaving on 31 Oct come what may.

Some people will manage better than others. There are very unlkely to be any riots if MPs do not approve the withdrawal agreement but it will certainly be a complicated time.

Back to the possibility of riots- no I don't think so, at least none that will change anything.

But moaning and not accepting things- yes that will go on!

That's a convenient way of ignoring the actual point of what I wrote, as well as my other post, but let's leave it at that.