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To think there will be riots?

853 replies

Anoni · 28/08/2019 10:51

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

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Graphista · 29/08/2019 01:06

Pikapikachu - exactly! Makes me wonder even if he is clinical if he works in a dept where he wouldn't be dealing with those clients, though I'm struggling to think of one which applies

HelenaDove · 29/08/2019 01:17

i agree Graphista Brexit will make things even worse than they already are.

LakieLady · 29/08/2019 01:56

There are demonstrations planned all over the country on Saturday, even in non-urban places like Truro and Cheltenham.

#stopthecoup

crivit · 29/08/2019 06:12

@riversideA

"Well, "hundreds" of people have already hit the streets this evening according to the BBC so yes, definitely riots likely hmm"

Unfortunately the BBC can't count very well. If they say hundreds, they mean a good deal more than that. I've been on other demos where they woefully underestimate the numbers.

Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 29/08/2019 06:36

Honestly the hysteria on here is quite frankly pathetic Confused and I say this as someone who voted remain.

Honestly some of the far left remainers on here astonish me and I would rather be associated with the leavers.
Now the rational remainers I have all the time in the world for but some of you lot need to have a word with yourselves.

I voted remain and I still would but it is the remainers who speak like everyone who voted leave is an uneducated, racist prick are the ones who will cause all the damage. Just like wait and see.

A huge sweeping statement I know but I honestly can't get over some of the attitudes of people on this thread. Fucking mental.

Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 29/08/2019 06:46

And

Also...
Sorry this thread has enraged me.
I truly believe that if there was to be another vote, leave would succeed by an even higher number.

And I think a lot of that would be down to the sanctimonious arseholes spouting their hatred and bullshit as evidenced on this thread.

I would love to remain in the EU I really would. I am worried and have started prepping for the first time in my life but some of the attitudes I have seen mainly from the remain camp has been appalling and inflammatory. This will cause the trouble we will see of that I am sure.

EngTech · 29/08/2019 06:48

People keep saying the Queen should have declined BJ’s request to prorogue Parliament.

It was purely a courtesy aspect. Why do you think Black Rod gets the doors to the HOC slammed in their face and they have to knock to get admittance?

The U.K. is tearing itself to bits over BREXIT and normal day to day stuff is not being managed

TM tried to get the deal through Parliament three times, it got thrown out so Boris has tried another way

I despair at my country at times. 😳

This has been rumbling on for over three years, enough is enough, a case of get on with it.

If we don’t leave, Boris, Conservatives are finished and JC can be caretaker PM and keep us in.

Then watch the howls of anguish 😳

tomtom1999xx · 29/08/2019 06:50

They get whipped up the likes of Owen Jones.
It is sad ( & a bit pathetic )

Moo5ele55 · 29/08/2019 07:01

It’s been rumbling on for 3 years for a reason.

And Carrotcake I think the chances of you being a remainer is as likely as any of the Eton boys caring about anything bar the Tory party.

AsTheWorldTurns · 29/08/2019 07:30

Helena the Hugh Grant tweet is embarrassingly self-important and not very clever. You sound like a breathless teenager.

Userwhatevernumber · 29/08/2019 07:37

Moo5ele55 what? Surely you are just proving the suggestion she makes about remainers being judgemental? I also voted remain, and I agree with carrott. You can’t have the ‘well you are just one of them’ attitude to everyone who has different views to you.

Moo5ele55 · 29/08/2019 07:39

Of course you did.Wink

chomalungma · 29/08/2019 07:40

We are being lied to. There was no need to prorogue Parliament for this long. MPs normally vote on the conference recess break. He knew that MPs would not vote on this.

There are protests taking place tonight and at the weekend. Please join them

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 29/08/2019 07:40

Carrotcakeforbreakfast i too voted Remain and I feel the same have always thought if there is another vote leave would win again and with a larger majority

We had the protest three years ago it was a vote the writing was on the wall many people were in utter despair how their lives were going or rather not going they got the chance for a real change (yes I know of other reasons too before lectured) and yes we all know they are likely to suffer the most and so on

I am also aware many people who voted remain are just fed up and just want the government to get on with it and leave - what people feel uncomfortable with is the uncertainty leave and manage the fall out We are going to leave there is absolutely no stopping that there never was the crashing out without a deal has been bandied around for sometime and only now we see MP’s really get together to stop it .... really after all this time Hmm

Moo5ele55 · 29/08/2019 07:45

So what are you worrying about. Have another vote and put the subject to bed.

Leave broke electoral laws and lied during their campaign, they also didn’t even know what type of Brexit they were voting for. Many leavers were certainly not voting for a no deal. There needs to be a fresh informed election but Boris and co are scared of allowing that to happen.

chomalungma · 29/08/2019 07:47

o voted Remain and I feel the same have always thought if there is another vote leave would win again and with a larger majority

I don't think that if the question was 'Leave with No Deal' , it would win.

Maybe it's my filter bubble talking.

Moo5ele55 · 29/08/2019 07:54

I and every other remainer I know would happily except the results of a fresh informed referendum.

We now know the truth re the lies Boris et al spouted. We also know what Brexit would actually look like (no deal)and are starting to see the consequences. I suspect an awful lot of people on both sides are better informed on the EU as a whole.

So Boris don’t shut down debate and parliament just bring on another referendum, an election too would be good as the Tory shite storm we’ve had the last few years are clearly not fit for purpose.. It is the only thing that will bring the country together.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 29/08/2019 07:55

I doubt the question would be on the voting ballot leave with no deal it would be stay or leave again

It was a simple question should we stay or leave the EU

We know the result ....

It should have always been more detailed it should have been decided before it went to a referendum or at the very least discussed and debated in parliament but our appealingly incompetent MP’s didn’t feel that was necessary

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/08/2019 07:56

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3677475-Protests-against-the-Prorogation-of-Parliament MN gathering point for all peaceful forms of protest.

We don't need or want riots, widespread peaceful protest can be extremely effective.

Blibbyblobby · 29/08/2019 08:05

I don't think that if the question was 'Leave with No Deal' , it would win.

Honestly it very well could. The point is if it does, we’d all know that a majority the UK really does want to shoot itself in the foot and the politicians and civil service can then get on with foot-shooting without being bound by an ethical obligation to act in the best interests of the country, and the EU and Ireland know they have to focus on damage limitation in their own interests without expecting rational cooperation from the UK.

And those of us who believe this is utterly and fundamentally wrong for the country and is going to be an unmitigated shitstorm can realise the country is not what we thought it was and doesn’t share our values, and make our plans appropriately.

I think it’s the best hope we have of stopping the division festering for decades.

DarkNoise · 29/08/2019 08:16

I would like to take up the point made by some poster upthread, "if you do not like it here then leave" to which many responded, in measurable and articulate way, that this is not possible practically.

I see that remark differently. I see it as typical of a group of people who believe they can speak for the whole country and, if they win, their preferred method of silencing the opposition is... getting rid of it.

This was the modus operandi of Mussolini's fascist regime. You do not like Fascism? Well, we have won, we are the will of the true Italian people so you are not obviously welcome here. You are not a true Italian. And writes, journalists, teachers were literally sent away or interned in far islands.

Whenever there is an opposition and somebody tells them to emigrate if you don't like it call them out on this as a far-right strategy because this is what it is. Don't engage with them on the practical level, but call them our oh their right to define themselves as more British then you, more patriotic then you.

I am a patriot and my patriotism expresses through making this country wealthier, happier and more inclusive. To me this means more European. If you think differently, fine, but do not try to exile me or do not for one minute think you can speak for the whole country and make me feel an outsider. I also speak for a group and we have the same right as you have to be here and to change the country, with democratic means, as we see fit.

Woofbloodywoof · 29/08/2019 08:20

Yes yes yes Carrotcake and Enthusiasm
Enough of this idiotic clutching at straws from Remainers. It’s embarrassing and their behaviour - and that of the EU - would probably tip me to vote Leave this time should another referendum be held.
Which it won’t. Because it shouldn’t.

Moo5ele55 · 29/08/2019 08:25

I absolutely would except a no deal result in a new referendum if it was on the paper.

I will never except the previous result. It was a referendum based on a pack of lies, no clarity as to what form Brexit would take, ignorance re reality and a campaign that broke laws.

I am happy to go through shit and deal with the consequences of an informed fair referendum, I simply won’t sit down and take either as a result of the above travesty. I don’t think I’m alone. I want proof a no deal Brexit is what the majority want regardless of the consequences, until I get that I’ll always campaign to be part of Europe and vote accordingly in elections.

There is a massive divide that won’t be cured by brushing it under the carpet. We face years of a divided parliament. You can’t base anything on lies.

Blibbyblobby · 29/08/2019 08:32

Enough of this idiotic clutching at straws from Remainers. It’s embarrassing and their behaviour - and that of the EU - would probably tip me to vote Leave this time should another referendum be held.

So let’s be clear here. If you see something you believe to be fundamentally wrong, flawed and damaging being done to your country, you would let that happen unopposed because you are embarassed?

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