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To think there will be riots?

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Anoni · 28/08/2019 10:51

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

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phlebasconsidered · 28/08/2019 23:20

I probably won't riot. But only because the drugs on which I depend ( already delayed and substituted more than 3 times in the last 4 months) won't get to me and so render me exhausted and ill.

Fucking wankpot twatbaskets. I hate Boris.

It's all ok though, because apparently i'll be able to be rilly rilly strict as a teacher now and that will take away all the effects of the last few years of desperate underfunding.

And as for the Queen: she should remember what happened in France, Spain, and indeed England the last time a monarch overstepped. It's a shame we ever let them back.

Having grown up in the 80's I am well versed in protest. Our family supported the miners, fought in the Wapping riots, and I got walloped in the poll tax riots. Happy to get out there again, as I think, are many others. Certainly as a teacher of 20 years standing i've never had such a dire time both at work and home.

EEmother · 28/08/2019 23:30

@Missangrypants
It is not what I said - it is just something that had never occurred to me before, in the context of riots / lootings / violence.

Blibbyblobby · 28/08/2019 23:43

Johnson is doing this not to show the EU anything, but to provoke a general election, as he currently has a majority of 1, so can't get anything done. If he provokes a general election, the cards will be shuffled and he is betting on getting more power.

Yes, this is very much his motivation. He does not give a shiny shit about Brexit other than as a dog whistle to attract enough votes

HelenaDove · 28/08/2019 23:45

@malificent7 But but Corbyns raincoat..............

Tonnerre · 29/08/2019 00:02

The vote showed a leave majority, three years have been wasted negotiating! He has to do something and what alternative does he have

There was only a majority because of serious fraud on the Leave side. The alternative he has is to recognise that it is unconscionable to seek to uphold a fraudulently obtained vote and revoke Article 50.

Tonnerre · 29/08/2019 00:05

Yes, leave won so get over it. ALL sides told lies and used underhand methods to influence public opinion

But only the Leave campaign has been found to have used fraud to a degree that would mean the vote would have had to be nullified had it been a binding rather than an advisory vote.

riversideA · 29/08/2019 00:06

Well, "hundreds" of people have already hit the streets this evening according to the BBC so yes, definitely riots likely Hmm

HelenaDove Overpaid establishment tosser with high opinion of himself insults another overpaid establishment tosser etc etc. Wot larks!

Graphista · 29/08/2019 00:09

"Out of all the phrases I could use to describe the international image of the UK right now, "they mean business" is extremely low on the list."

The comments I'm hearing from family/friends living In other European countries and rest of the world are

"Laughing stock"
"Even bigger laughing stock"
"Nonsensically self destructive"
"Not worth trading with"

"Well this is the fault of the electorate for voting Tory...what did everyone expect? ..a decent wage, fairer society and world peace?" It constantly bloody bewilders me the sheer number of working class people who wrongly think the tories give one shiny shit about them! THEY NEVER HAVE AND THEY NEVER WILL! They are the party of the ruling classes, their one and only interest in the working class is in how much money THEIR graft can make for them! That's why they have zero interest in those among the working class who are unable to work and have nil conscience about if their policies cause this sector hardship, illness even death, they see them as nothing but a useless burden.

If you're ANYTHING lower than upper middle class voting Tory is nonsensical and self defeating. And even if you're upper middle class and above voting Tory may benefit you & yours but you're screwing over those more vulnerable and less fortunate than yourselves by doing so.

We've already got people literally starving to death, kids living in fucking shipping containers, families relying on food banks and this shower of shite that are supposed to be running the country a damn sight better anyway, have today made matters so so so much worse.

If you've ever voted Tory shame on you!

Blibbyblobby · 29/08/2019 00:13

Ah ok, so what Farage wants is basically the free trade advantage of being in the EU without the obligations.
Where does he say that? He said he wanted a free trade agreement;

We already have a free trade agreement. Since we can’t get any free-er, the only adjustment is to reduce our obligation. Ergo, that is what Farage “wants”. Not rocket science. I don’t care whether he has explicitly said that or not, that is the reality of how his statements can be delivered.

Here is some good news I read today; 22 August - US and Asian Investment in UK Tech Skyrockets

Oh sweetie. This is actually my sector. Did you know that because of the fx rate, US firms currently see UK tech as cheap labour? I have literally had that said to me in interviews recently.

I’m not doing UK down. For historical reasons we genuinely are a Fintech hub and it is potentially one of the sectors that may be profitable post-Brexit (but do NOT underestimate how much of the talent is not UK-native here...we benefit from the cream of the EU right now). But remember (1) this investment is into a UK that is still in the EU and fintech is serverless IP so it can move locations in a day. Regs is a massive thing in finance. Right now the UK fintech sector operates under EU regs which is gold plated. Don’t count on it staying around if we become an unrecognised regulatory regime. (2) It’s not going to save the economy by itself, and (3) Fintech is huge globally right now. Investment is going everywhere

Did your wide reading happen to throw up what % of global Fintech investment that UK figure represents? Genuinely interested to know.

riversideA · 29/08/2019 00:16

Graphista “starving to death”?! Please do back that up.

HelenaDove · 29/08/2019 00:30

"If you are even attempting to defend the Tories you are a total arsehole"

Or from Loose Women.

Graphista · 29/08/2019 00:31

Graphista “starving to death”?! Please do back that up.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/28/man-starved-to-death-after-benefits-cut

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/09/david-clapson-benefit-sanctions-death-government-policies

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-waiting-time-deaths-disabled-people-die-disability-benefits-personal-independence-payment-dwp-a8727296.html%3famp

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/universal-credit-dwp-refusals-decisions-child-poverty-a9010981.html

Just from a quick Google now, I've seen many more similar stories over the last 5 years, there's been 2 such deaths in my area in the last 6 months, and that DOESN'T even take into account where the cuts are "only" making it so people are eating less and that's compounding other health issues and safety of taking certain meds.

Certainly I've had points in the last 5 years where I've had to reduce how much I eat because payments have been screwed up.

There's also one of the professional bodies representing coroners have been fighting for iirc around the last 3 years to get a FOI request answered on stats linking deaths to benefits cock ups.

There's an increase in conditions like rickets, scurvy and other conditions known to be caused by malnutrition

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/victorian-disease-gout-rickets-vitamin-d-mumps-scurvy-measles-malnutrition-nhs-hospital-admitted-a8795686.html%3famp

I can assure you it IS happening.

If you're fortunate enough none of this has affected you or your loved ones, while I'm glad for you, please don't deny its happening to others or that there aren't major issues in this country with real, not just relative poverty (which is bad enough).

howwudufeel · 29/08/2019 00:33

I grew up in a mining town during the strike. Rioting doesn’t help anyone.

howwudufeel · 29/08/2019 00:36

I have spoken to European friends and none of them have said anything remotely like the UK is a laughing stock. They are incredibly sad though we are leaving.

Nat6999 · 29/08/2019 00:47

I can remember the three day week & the power cuts of the 1970's, I can also remember the Poll tax riots when the Community Charge was introduced which helped towards the downfall of Margaret Thatcher. Let's hope if we give B J enough rope he will hang himself, he has already divided his own party & parliament, parties who would never have given each other the time of day before are banding together to fight against B J & his crackpot schemes.

HelenaDove · 29/08/2019 00:50

You really cant win with the right wingers on this site.

Its either "provide a link to back that up"

or if you have already provided the link in your first post its "i never read all those tedious links she puts up " OR "Shes the copy and paste queen and its so irritating"

riversideA · 29/08/2019 00:51

I’m not interested in defending Tory policies, just getting at the truth.

DH works in the NHS in a very mixed area and he has never seen anyone admitted with malnutrition.

I think it’s really babyish to resort to insults if you think someone disagrees with you.

TwoPupsandaHamster · 29/08/2019 00:55

Nope. Only on MN do people get their knickers in a twist about Brexit. In real life nobody has a clue what's going on.... or cares.

Riots my arse! Hmm

HelenaDove · 29/08/2019 00:55

So if your DH hasnt seen it then it doesnt happen.

OK as a childfree by choice woman ive never experienced any discrimination for being pregnant so it doesnt happen.

This flies right????????

howwudufeel · 29/08/2019 01:00

Malnutrition doesn’t necessarily equate to starvation. A lot of children in the UK have such poor diets they’re developing diseases not seen since Victorian times. That may or may not be down to people not being able to afford food.
My problem is that Brexit has taken so much time that we are ignoring massive issues we need to address right now in the UK. That complete idiot Jo Swinson doesn’t appear to think that anything other than Brexit matters.

Graphista · 29/08/2019 01:01

Exactly Helena!

RiversideA "works in the Nhs" could just as well included "is in a dungeon in a hospital never sees patients as he's an IT tech"

Even IF he is a client facing person, just because he hasn't come across any (which frankly I find VERY hard to believe, quite honestly if he is a medical person I'd be concerned about his abilities!) doesn't mean it isn't happening!

There are still a few parts of the U.K. That don't have food banks or obvious street homelessness - doesn't mean these issues don't exist in other parts of the U.K.

pikapikachu · 29/08/2019 01:04

DH works in the NHS in a very mixed area and he has never seen anyone admitted with malnutrition.

No drug addicts who prioritise drugs over food? No children being starved by abusive parents? No elderly people unable to feed themselves? No anorexic people?

Graphista · 29/08/2019 01:05

Malnutrition doesn’t necessarily equate to starvation

Nobody's said that as far as I can see.

I've said starvation AND malnutrition are occurring.

Brexit isn't a separate issue to this. It's not happening in a bubble.

1 as you say politicians having to spend time dealing with brexit means they've less time to deal with all the other fuck ups going on

2 the result of the referendum has already resulted in job loss and hardship for many and particularly if this no deal bollocks goes through as seems to be happening, the ramifications will be even more hardship especially for those least able to weather the storm