To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

I do think there is going to be something like a General strike or similar - demonstrations and petitions can easily be ignored.

Something has to be done to make the Government take notice

(I've probably just got myself on a watch list now)

Of course not

I know a few staunch remainers that keep going on about riots and it will be those that votes leave that will riot when things are not as good as they thought

The UK isn’t going to come to a halt and totally collapse and many people not just want to get it over with

I think many stanch remainers will like there to be riots

@Namenic the violence from NI will spread to the main land. While politicians and the armed forces will be their main targets they will start effecting and the targeting "normal" members of the public. People forget like unlike the Muslim terrorists paramilitaries like the IRA bombs actually work.

I'm just about old enough to remember the Brighton bomb when the IRA went for Thatcher at the Tory conference.

Then there will be the travel disruption caused by the coded warnings on tube and train lines, with things like bins removed.

If you like stealing bags and suitcases you need to be vigilant as there was the guy who stole a suitcase on an intercity train to Manchester. He opened it to find bomb making equipment and then had to worry that the IRA was coming after him. 2 years, later in 1996, the IRA blew up the Arndale Centre in Manchester with a massive bomb in a lorry.

@chomalungma

"Find out what the people want".

Ha ha!

I thought we did that back in 2016. It was called a 'referendum'. Shall we have best of 5?

Also what is the opposition complaining about when they are just ending a four week recess for summer holidays. If they were so bothered about ensuring no deal doesn't happen and wanted more discussion time, they should have abandoned their holidays. But no, that would have been too big a sacrifice for MPs. They are just hypocrites, with too many on all sides who are self serving with their noses in the trough.

Also Jeremy Corbin and co were only yesterday discussing how to circumvent the usual procedures to achieve their aims (which for most of them is not to leave with no deal, but to not leave at all). They are only outraged because they have possibly been outflanked.

It will be interesting to see which of the 'undemocratic' procedures both sides are using will prevail.

I thought we did that back in 2016. It was called a 'referendum'. Shall we have best of 5

Something needs to be done to sort out the divisions. Going for a No Deal is not going to help.

I thought we did that back in 2016. It was called a 'referendum'. Shall we have best of 5

Shall we just make a democracy a one off then now - people voted for something vague in 2016 and were lied to. They were told food and medicine shortages etc etc were project fear when in fact we now know it's reality.

I don't believe the majority of people want a no deal brexit and all that entails. To close down parliament in order to force that on the country is a step too far.

Do people honestly not mind the Tory party still putting their needs first?

The people supposed to represent the people, who have not represented the people for three years, can't access the house to carry on not representing the people.

Ah ok, so what Farage wants is basically the free trade advantage of being in the EU without the obligations.

Where does he say that? He said he wanted a free trade agreement;
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p036tf3g

And he thinks the EU will give us a better deal than actual members because....?

In fact he says a better deal than Norway (not an EU member)- because the UK is a market of 65 million people (Norway 5 million) and the EU sells us £50 billion worth of goods a year more than we sell them (2015).

And he thinks it’s better for us to have to meet standards we don’t influence than ones we do because...?

The trade off for that is free movement of people.

And he thinks it’s going to be easier to get this unicorn deal after No Deal (when we have reneged on our obligations and are very much the weaker party) rather than as part of our Withdrawal Agreement because...?

The interview took place in 2015 - no doubt things might have turned out differently if Theresa May had not been in charge. Boris Johnson says he wants a deal before we leave but he is prepared to leave without a deal - which is a stronger negotiating position than a few weeks ago.

very much the weaker party
That is debatable - neither of us have a crystal ball.

Here is some good news I read today;

22 August - US and Asian Investment in UK Tech Skyrockets

"The UK tech sector has attracted more foreign investment in the first seven months of 2019 than it did during the whole of last year, according to latest industry figures, and has overtaken the US for foreign investment, per capita."

"The sector is attracting an average of $1bn a month from both foreign and domestic investors–one and a half times the amount raised during the same period last year."

"As an analysis of the data reveals, the top 30 companies that have received the most foreign investment in the past three years– including StarlingBank, Skyscanner, Darktrace, Checkout.com–have collectively created more than 5,000 new positions."

thefintechtimes.com/us-and-asian-investment/

@Cinammoncake

We voted to join the EC back in the 1970's. It was enacted. We later had another vote to decide whether to remain or not. We stayed.

However, there have been significant changes to the role of the EU since, which made a lot of people do not agree with. We, the citizens, were not given a chance to vote on this unlike citizens of some member states. But as we know when those member states rejected the changes they had to vote again to ensure the 'right' decision was made.

So here we go again, the 'wrong' decision was made in 2016 and before it is enacted the plebs should be made to vote again to get the 'right' decision.

I disagree missangrypants but think that people should be told what the consequences will be, and check that yes they want to go ahead with no deal. It's not to do with being 'plebs' The leave vote campaign was conducted illegally.

Surely people can understand that the best way to get a deal is to show we mean business on no deal?

Only if you play me vs you, zero sum game negotiating, which (1) is the absolute dumbest, lowest ability way to do it, and (2) only works if you and the other party are a closed system.

In our situation, saying “we have to keep no deal on the table” is asinine because the EU know it hurts us more than them. It’s not an empty threat exactly, but the cross on the graph of cost vs benefit to the EU of stopping it is much higher than it is for us, which means if we don’t see a reason to stop it they certainly won’t.

It’s like trying to get a discount at Clarks by saying “ha, I might cut my feet off then you can’t sell me any shoes at all!” It might work if you were Clarks’ only customer, but in the real world Clarks is like “well ok, that’s a pity but I can still sell shoes to the other people in the queue”

The grown up, win/win way is to start from “we are not enemies, we both want the best possible outcome here, there are outcomes that are bad for both of us so let’s agree they are not on the table.”

@Missangrypants the whole 2016 referendum was conducted unfairly on an issue I would wager a vast majority of the population didn't understand, with some seriously dodgy foreign backed interference. Even then the vote was incredibly tight and failed to take into account a vast number of disenfranchised young people who have since come of age. The entire thing has proved to be a complete farce where the only winners are the right wing political elite. You are being wilfully naive to suggest it's as simple as "We won, get over it remoaners!"

Given that Bojo is happy to suspend parliament in this way (and he very recently said he wouldnt do that, and he put it in writing too) even leavers and people who really want no deal Brexit are trusting him not to misuse his power in the future. Trusting Boris Johnson. Look at his track record. Its not good for anyone, there's more at stake than just the Brexit deal/no deal.

Apologies smile!

This feels apt.

@Weston14

Yes, leave won so get over it

ALL sides told lies and used underhand methods to influence public opinion.

The pro remain government spent millions of tax payers' money sending out leaflets to households recommending to vote remain.

I wasn't influenced by social media (not on any of them) or stuff written on the sides of buses. Most of us weren't as opinions, whether to leave or remain, were made up immediately the referendum was called.

As for making out that that those not old enough to vote have been disenfranchised, this happens all the time in any vote given that there is a legally set age for voting.

It's what happens on the day and who are eligible to participate that counts. Using your argument nothing would ever be voted on.

Haven't RTFT. No, there won't be riots.

I have a friend who is quite senior in the local police force, and she is quite concerned about the effect of the hard border on the street drug "industry". Prices are likely to skyrocket which will lead to more procurement-related crime, and increase in adulteration to more deaths.
I must admit it is an aspect of Brexit I haven't thought about much before.

@EEmother

So we must have a single market and open borders to facilitate the free flow of cheap smuggled drugs and not to disrupt the organised criminal groups which if happened would increase violence on our streets?

Well this is the fault of the electorate for voting Tory...what did everyone expect? ..a decent wage, fairer society and world peace?